Descendants of Robert White 1688

Descendants of Robert White 1688-1752
Scotland - Haystack near Winchester VA
married Margaret Hoge (Hague)
Including Allied Families

Compiled by : Tina Rogers Beller using information
within our JULIAN / MURRAY families as well as
other sources pertaining to the White Family with
sources given if known.
Tina Rogers Beller, July 30, 2011.

Note: Resent generations have been removed

Generation No. 1

1. ROBERT¹ WHITE was born Abt. 1688 in Scotland, and died 1752 in Haystack near Winchester VA.. He married MARGARET HOGE, daughter of WILLIAM HOGE and BARBARA HUME.

Notes for ROBERT WHITE:

Robert White came to America about 1720 and he married Margaret Hogue ( d/o Wm. Hogue ) probably in Delaware. Later this famliy of Dr. Robert White, wife Margaret Hogue White and her parents William Hogue moved to Frederick Co. VA in 1735. The Whites settled at Haystack VA and he died in 1752 and is buried in the Old Opaquon Graveyard near Winchester, VA.

Per Debbie Reynolds Files :

excerpts from DAR magazine, pg 330 , march 1959 issue:

It is believed that Robert White came to America in 1720. He was born in Scotland in 1688. He graduated at Edinburgh, studied medicine and became a surgeon in the British Navy, a position he held for many years.

Tradition is that he resigned from the Navy on account of having engaged in a duel with a Brittish Officer.

While still in the service, Dr White came to America and visited William Hogue, who then lived in Delaware. Dr Robert White married Margaret Hogue, the eldest daughter of William Hogue.

Dr Robert White, the elderly William Hogue and Whites wife and children removed to what is now Frederick Co VA in 1735.

Dr White settled at Haystack and died in 1752. They were Presbyterians and he is buried in the Old Opequon Graveyard near Winchester. He left 3 sons, John, Robert and Alexander.

Alexander was sent to Scotland studied Law at Edinburgh and returning , married a sister of Hon James Wood, Gov. of VA. He is buried on the old Wood estate.

Major Robert White also a doctor inherited his fathers house.

History says that the 1st house was destroyed the 2nd house was burned and the present one was built ca. 1780. There is a trap door leading from one of the main rooms to the cellar which is now closed with brick.John W. Chambersville was born in this house and he remembers the trap door and tunnel.

Learning of a band of Indian Marauders at Cacapon, Major White being a Justice appealed to the Court for Protection. The Court took no action and the Major returned to his home to take charge of the situation himself. He went fully 6 or 7 miles along the mountain and advised all to come to his fort.

Among those warned were Owen Thomas, Jacob Kackley,the Clowser family, a man named Lloyd, and David Jones and wife. Several of these families spent the night at the Lloyd home and left early on their journey to the fort, but the Indians attcked them before they were out of sight. Almost all of them were killed.

Mrs Ellis Thomas, widow of Ellis Thomas who had been killed by the Indians a year before, and Mrs Clowser and 4 of her daughters were taken captive.

There were 7 wouned who made it right outside the Fort and they were found and cared for, but only one of the 7 lived and that was Hester Lloyd.

Mrs Thomas was thrown in the river, but being rather stout, she did not drown and lived to tell about her capture and release..

"Hayfield" remained in the possession of Major Whites descendants until ca. 1850 when it was purchased by Robert Brown. It later became the property of J Howard Cather, son of James Cather and grand son of Casper Cather, the pioneer of the Cather families of Frederick Co VA.

Major Robert White son of Dr Robert White and Margaret Hogue was born in 1734 and died Aug 15 1815 age 81 years. He had 3 sons, John Alexander and Francis.

The "White" graveyard is about 200 yards from the house. His tombstone has the above dates of birth and death clearly inscribed.

Elizabeth, his wife born 1739 his son John born 1768 and his son Francis born 1761 are buried in this graveyard along with several other members of the white family.

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From Jerry Rathmann :

for Dr Robert WHITE

First Generation

1. Dr Robert WHITE was born about 1694 in Scotland. He died about 1755 in VA.

Was said to be a surgeon in the Royal British Navy.

Dr married Mary HOGE.

They had the following children:

+ 2 F i. Barbara WHITEBarbara WHITE was born about 1775 and died 8 Jul 1778.

Second Generation

2. Barbara WHITE (Dr Robert) was born about 1775 in Chester PA and agreed on marriage contract 10 Sep 1741

in Frederick Co VA. She died 8 Jul 1778 in Millsboro Randolph Co NC.

Notes for Isaac Julian and Barbara White--The Julian/Needham families.

Barbara married Isaac JULIAN, son of Rene De ST JULIAN and Mary Margaret BULLOCK. Isaac was born 30 Dec 1716 in

St Anne Parish-Annapolis-Ann Arudel MD. He died 8 Jul 1778 in Asboro Randolph Co NC.

It is said that he died of rattlesnake bite.

They had the following children:

3 M i. Rene JULIAN was born 29 Mar 1756 in Frederick Co VA.

He died about 1840 in Knox Co TN.

Rene married Catherine Allred MADDEN. Catherine was born about 1751 in NC and obtained a marriage license about

1772 in NC . She died in Knox County TN.

Appendix A - Sources

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More About ROBERT WHITE:

Burial: Opequon Cemetery near Winchester, VA.

Children of ROBERT WHITE and MARGARET HOGE are:

2. i. BARBARA² WHITE, b. Bet. 1718 - 1720, Winchester, Frederick Co., Virginia; d. Unknown.

3. ii. REBECCA HANNAH WHITE, b. Abt. 1721, Winchester, Frederick Co., Virginia.

4. iii. MARGARET WHITE, b. 1723, Winchester, Frederick Co., Virginia.

iv. CHRISTIANA ANN WHITE, b. 1726, Winchester, Frederick Co., Virginia.

v. JOHN WHITE, b. 1728, Winchester, Frederick Co., Virginia.

5. vi. ROBERT WHITE, b. Abt. 1734; d. August 15, 1815.

vii. ALEXANDER WHITE, b. 1738, Frederick Co., Virginia.

Generation No. 2

2. BARBARA² WHITE (ROBERT¹) was born Bet. 1718 - 1720 in Winchester, Frederick Co., Virginia, and died Unknown. She married ISAAC JULIAN September 10, 1741 in Winchester Co., or Frederick Co., VA., son of RENE ST. JULIAN and MARY BULLOCK. He was born Bet. September 14, 1714 - 1716 in Bohemia Manor, Cecil Co., Maryland, and died July 08, 1778 in Randolph Co., North Carolina.

Notes for ISAAC JULIAN:

Per Gary Julian's genealogy of RENNE JULIAN family on Oct. 02, 2006 :

( Gary Julian files from files by GENE RAYPHOLTZ )

Isaac JULIEN b Dec 13, 1716, recorded in register of St Ann's Parish in Annapolis, MD (his birth 1714 calculated from his age at death 64yr again from the WHITE family Bible)

d July 8, 1778 Randolph Co, NC from the bite of a rattlesnake

m Sept 10, 1741 Winchester, VA Barbara WHITE, dau of Dr Robert WHITE, a surgeon in the British Navy and his wife Margaret HOGE, gdau of William HOGE and Barbara HUME who both died en route from Musselboro, Scotland in 1682.

Isaac took a land grant of 280acres on a branch of Pole Cat Creek next to his brother John on 29 Dec 1762. Both grants issued the same day, he inherited John's land. The descendants still owned the land in 1944 [obviously Rebecca WHITE's comment] He took a NC grant from Lord Fairfax in Frederick Co VA for 414 acres on 8 Jan 1752 adjacent to Peter JULIEN's land which he sold to James MAGILL on 3 Feb 1755.

ISAAC JULIAN b. 14 Sep. 1714 Bohemia Manor, Cecil Co. MD ( ? ) bpt. 13 Dec. 1716 St. Annes Parish Annapolis, Anne Arundel Co., MD. d. 8 Jul 1778 Guilford Co. NC ; md. 10 Sep. 1741 Winchester VA BARBARA WHITE ( 1725 - 1778, d/ Dr. Robert ( ( WHITE )) & Margaret Hoge. )

Per Jean Frazier Freshour, "The JULIAN Family" :

" Isaac Julian was born 30/12/1716 in Cecil County, Maryland, and died 08/07/1778 in Randolph County, North Carolina ( Gray's Chapel ). He married ( 1 ) Unknown HOGE. He married ( 2 ) Barbara White 17/10/1741 in Frederick co. VA. He died from a snake bite. "

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Conflicting data per Jean Frazier Freshour's information and that of Gary Julian; so my genealogy has combined verifications we do have, along with comparisons to other submitters information on this Julien/Julian line; so some of this information may be in error and will need further verfications of this line. - Tina Rogers Beller ; revised July 2003.

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Per Gary Julian's files sent to me on Oct. 04, 2006 :

Isaac JULIEN

a) Birth record - WHITE family Bible copied by Isaac Hoover JULIEN of San Marcos TX written for "The Evening Star" Winchester VA 7 Nov 1901 states that Isaac was b 1714 and md when age 27 and died in 64th yr - Register of St Ann's Parish at Annapolis MD records Isaac's birth in 1716

1737 to Frederick Co VA with parents and brothers Peter, George, and John per what?

b) Marriage record - WHITE family Bible - Isaac JULIEN to Barbara WHITE 10 Sep 1741 in Winchester VA dau of Dr Robert and Margaret HOGE WHITE seven children given in order as Mary ODELL Margaret ALRED Catherine LONG Rebekah FRAZIER wife of a member of TN constitutional convention, Rene, Abigail TROGDON, and Isaac

1750 Frederick Co VA Deed Bk? Pg? - Isaac JULIAN 20 Sep 1750 to 16 Oct 1750 414 acres surveyed "where he lives on Hogs Creek, a branch of Back Creek (house drawn on plat) adjacent to Peter JULIAN" - Chain Carriers John JULIAN and Jeremiah SMITH - Pilot (guide that leads the surveying party into unfamiliar territory) Isaac JULIAN

1750 Frederick Co VA Deed Bk? Pg? - Robert RUTHERFORD had 180 acres surveyed on 21 Sep 1750 adjacent to Isaac JULIAN, the Indian Grave Hill - Chain Carriers George and John JULIAN

1750 Frederick Co VA Deed Bk? Pg? - Jeremiah SMITH had 450 acres surveyed 24 Nov 1750 - Chain Carrier George JULIEN - To Lord FAIRFAX, "We the neighbors of Jeremiah SMITH doth certify that the survey that he has is run so narrow that it doth but just include his cleared land in the bottum and the rye land is so hilly and stoney that very little of it is tillable and the fresh hath washed the greatest part of the cleared land so that it will not produce good crops... He desires... your Lordship to grant him a survey joining to him below other ways.. He cannot get a comfortable living." signed Isaac IOLEN (JULIAN?), Peter JULIEN, John JULIEN, Rene JULIEN, George JULIEN, Jacob BELL, James OLLIPEN, Israel POTTS, Thomas EDWARDS

1751 Frederick Co VA Deed Bk? Pg? - Reuben PAXTON had 400 acres surveyed on 6 May 1751 on Wagon Road to Watkins Ferry on drs? of Opeckon adjacent to Isaac JULIAN

1751 Frederick Co VA Deed Bk? Pg? - Isaac WRIGHT had 338 acres surveyed on 3 Oct 1751 on Back Creek adjacent to Jesse PUGH, Isaac JULIAN, Peter JULIAN, and survey adds George JULIAN

1755 Sparks Collection of George WASHINGTON's writings Vol II Pg 106 - report from WASHINGTON to Governor DINWIDDIE on 11 Oct 1755 from Isaac JULIEN's plantation 12 miles from Winchester following BRADOCK's defeat 8 Jul 1755 - One of Isaac's children saw a mulatto and a negro in quest of cattle, and mistaking them for Indians, alarmed his father who alarmed the neighborhood...

1760 1901 Evening Star article - The Indian murders and depredations continuing, and growing more threatening, caused many to flee the state. Among them was Isaac JULIEN and family and all his brothers save Stephen, the eldest. This was about 1760....

1762 Orange Co VA D&S 1752-60 Granville PLO Vol 6 Pg? - Isaac JULIEN, planter, grant of 280 acres on a branch of Pole Cat Creek next to brother John's grant on same day 29 Dec 1762

1762 Orange Co VA GPLOALP pg 49 - Isaac JULIAN by James WATSON 16 Feb 1762 - 700 acres on Polecat Creek waters of Deep River near Gabriel FREEMAN

1763 Lord GRANVILLE died and from 1763 to 1778 his land office was not open and none of the "wasteland"in the Granville Grant could be legally granted.

c) Death record - WHITE family Bible - Isaac JULIEN in 64th yr d 8 Jul 1778 in Randolph NC of a rattlesnake bite

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Per Gary Julian on Oct. 06, 2006 :

" Isaac Julian b. abt. 1714 Cecil Co. MD; died 8 July 1778 in Randolph Co. NC; married Barbara White 10 Sep. 1741 in Winchester, Frederick VA. "

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Per Tina Rogers Beller Files where we find the names of Rene de St. Julian and Isaac St. Julian and Rebecca St. Julian all listed within the list of those in " The Journey to Manakin Town "

The Journey to Manakin Town, Virginia, in 1700

Account of the emigration, copied with permission from In River Time: The Way of the James, by Ann Matthews Woodlief (Chapel Hill: Algonquin Books, 1985), pp. 82-84. Major sources of information: Richard P. Maury's "The Huguenots in Virginia" and "The French Huguenot Frontier Settlement of Manakin Town," James L. Bugg, Jr. in The Virginia Magazine of History and Biography, V. 61, Oct. 1953, 359-94. More recently published is The Diligence and the Disappearance of Manakintowne's Huguenots by Allison Wehr Elterich (for sale by Virginia branch).

"In 1700 the frontier was still just upstream a ways, in the more hostile world of granite, islands, and rapids above the tidewater. In July a ship [the Mary Ann] sailed into Hampton filled with 207 Huguenots, exiled for years from their cozy, prosperous villages in France, who hoped to build a French Protestant town in the Norfolk area. They were welcomed by Governor Nicholson with disturbing news; their destination had been changed and they were to go up the James. William Byrd I, inheritor of land in the Falls area and influential in the colony, had had the last word on their fate. They were to settle in the wilderness above the Fall Line, securing that land for the white man.

The omens were all foreboding at Jamestown where the prospective settlers had to transfer to smaller boats that could negotiate the curls. The town had recently burned for the third time and so had been abandoned as a capital. Sickness was still prevalent, and many of the French proved as vulnerable as the earlier settlers. As they learned more details about the requirements of survival on the frontier, especially without a navigable waterway, they became even more apprehensive, for their skills were those of business, not farming. Not surprisingly, many chose to desert here. Only 120 trusted themselves to the small boats and the currents of the James. Almost immediately a boat that was filled with goods sank, claimed by the rough waters.

This last leg of the voyage, overcast by dread and illness, must have been the worst. They passed the site of an earlier settlement called World's End, made the left turn into the Fall zone, and landed at the tiny trading outpost of rude houses around Shockoe Creek. Loading what was left of their supplies onto borrowed wagons, they trudged through the thick forests, following a faint path more than twenty miles into land long ago cleared by the Monacan Indians on the south bank of the river. Their ears still rang with the rushing of water over granite that would block their boats from the outside world of commerce. But the key to their survival lay in the unusually fertile floodplain of that same river.

It was a desperate fall and winter as the ill-prepared settlers used up their meager supplies, especially when another group of more than a hundred Huguenots arrived in October expecting to find a thriving town. [Three other ships arrived on the James and the Rappahannock Rivers: the Peter and Anthony, the Nassau, and one whose name is not known. All told, 500 prospective settlers boarded, but far fewer settled at Manakin Town.] ]Friction developed between the leaders, meaning that the new group had to hack out a settlement several miles downstream. Soon, though, Byrd and Governor Nicholson proved their support by soliciting charitable donations throughout the colony. The ensuing generosity proved justified, for within a year the French had learned to be adept farmers, growing fruit and fat cattle on their bottom land, and establishing trade, not warfare, with neighboring Indians.

Although plans had been drawn for a French-style village around a central square, with outlying farmland along the river, these never proved practical. The fertility of the piedmont floodplain encouraged the Huguenots, like the Monacans before them, to live more separately than they had intended, becoming a segmented agrarian society which stretched back from five miles of river bank. In time, they too lost their cohesive identity by intermarrying and moving to other rivers."

A Brief History of the Manakin Huguenots

Reverend Wilbur M. Sims

Lecture Presented October 30, 1993

Why were the Manakin Huguenots so late in arriving at their haven of peace and religious freedom? After all, those who bought Manhattan Island for the equivalent of twenty-four dollars arrived in 1623. Those who settled in New Paltz, New York arrived in 1670, and the Charleston Huguenots arrived at that small but growing city in 1680. The Revocation of the Edict of Nantes was registered on October 22, 1685, and it was followed by a horrendous holocaust, yet those who became known to history as the Manakin Huguenots did not arrive until the summer of 1700. Why? To answer that question, we must look at Europe and the British Isles and consider the rapid and kaleidoscopic events taking place during those times.

The French refugees who made it to Manakin, Virginia came from all over France. Some had arrived in England some years before 1685 so that even heads of families, and even more children, had not been born in France. These, reading the times, escaped just ahead of the holocaust while others were able to escape to England soon after. It would take much too long, even if it were possible, to trace even a few of the families. We do know, however, that five families escaped at the time of the holocaust from Sedan, and they seem to be more or less representative of the refugees who made it to England. Let's trace their movements to see what happened in those years between 1685 and 1700.

One of the five families was named Tipphané (Tiffany) and, though they came from Sedan, they did not come to Virginia but rather made it to New York City where their names became synonymous with jewelry. The names of the other four families who came directly to Manakin were LeGrand, Rochet, Michaux, and Sublette (Soblet).

Sedan is an old city in Lorraine, only about five miles from Belgium, then the Spanish Netherlands. These families escaped to the Spanish Netherlands just before or just after 1685, and from there to the blessed Dutch Republic. That republic was headed by Stadhalter William of Orange, a staunch Calvinist and coreligionist of the Huguenots, and an implacable enemy of the supreme egotist and tyrant, the Roman Catholic Louis XIV.

Meanwhile, in 1685, on February 6, Charles II, King of England, died. He had no legitimate children, so his younger brother succeeded him to the throne as James II. James had long since become a Roman Catholic with the ardor and zeal of a convert, but his first wife, deceased, was Anne Hyde, a devout Protestant. Their two daughters were each sincere Protestants, and each became Queen of England, first Mary, then Anne.

No sooner had James been enthroned as King of England, Scotland, Ireland, and Wales, then he showed himself stupid enough to think that he could gradually turn most of the Protestants in his domains into Roman Catholics! And that despite the fact that England, Scotland, and Wales had been 95% Protestant for 150 years. Every vacancy of high rank that occurred in the army or the navy, he would fill with a Roman Catholic. He did the same in the civil government when high places became vacant, and in some cases he created vacancies by discharging Protestants. The people, rank and file, the nobility, and most of the royalty became very uneasy.

But the Grand Monarch, the great Sun King in France, was rejoicing. James II of England was his protegé, and James looked upon Louis much as a twelve-year old boy would look upon a great athlete. Was he not slowly, but surely turning England, Scotland, and Wales to the one true religion of which the Grand Monarch was the Grand Champion? And was this not the most opportune time, then, for the Grand Champion of the one true faith to make his master stroke? "There are times which, taken at the flood, do lead on to victory." Yes, it was just the time for Louis the Great to revoke the Edict of Nantes. He said that there was no real justification for cluttering up the statutes of Frances which had become meaningless since there were practically no devotees of the Pretended Reformed Religion left.

But then there might just be a few left, but since the country just across the England Channel was so fast turning back to Mother Church-well, the tiny few left would be much less inclined to try to escape to England since they would not received any help from the very Christian, i. e. Roman Catholic, monarch now on that country's throne. And so the axe fell that year of important events, 1685, and on October 22, the edict was revoked. What tiny bit of begrudged tolerance was left existed no more. Besides all this, Louis' outrageously inhuman action would not look as heinous to the Protestants of Germany, the Netherlands, the Scandinavian countries, and Switzerland, since England was joining the crowd-or so his neurotic mind wanted to believe.

That is not the way it turned out in England, however. The people of Britain responded with a very great compassion for their outraged compatriots in their Calvinist understanding of the Christian religion. Most of the refugees arrived in England utterly destitute. After all, it was not a matter of leaving, but escaping with your life and a few rags on your back-if one were so fortunate as to escape. More were caught than escaped.

The needs of the refugees were so great and the compassion of the English for them so strong, added to the

sense of outrage at Louis XIV from both England and the Protestant French, that all became aware of the absolute necessity of a nationally organized offering for the refugee Huguenots. Such an effort required the approval of the monarch. The feelings of the English people were so strong that King James II, his position already becoming more insecure, almost have to give his consent. He gave it, but with the greatest reluctance. The resulting fund, the Royal Bounty, was anything but royal. It was the People's Bounty, those communicants of the Church of England and Dissenters who called the Huguenots their brothers. Even a few Roman Catholics in England gave to the fund.

After Anne Hyde died, James II married Mary of Modena, an ardent Catholic. Year after year passed and no child arrived. The Protestant British consoled themselves with the fact that James had no male successor, so that his persistent catholicizing of his domains could not last forever. But then it happened: On June 10, 1688 a son was born, not just a child, but a healthy son. Naturally many thought and hoped that there was some imposture. The timing was just too favorable to the Catholic cause. The Catholic succession was secured.

Something had to be done. The turbulence of the people lead to fears of a repetition of the terrible times of the English Civil War. Thus it was that a cabal of British leaders went to see William of Orange. He was the son of Elizabeth, the eldest daughter of Charles I, and an ardent Calvinist Protestant. Once he had opened the dikes of the Netherlands against the troops of Louis XIV. His wife was Mary, the Protestant daughter of King James II and Anne Hyde. Would they come over and take the throne of England, Scotland, Ireland, and Wales? They would. Thus came about the grand and glorious, and best of all, the blood revolution of 1688.

No one exactly threw James out, but no one at all, not even the few Catholics in the country, tried to get him to stay and fight. He left while the leaving was good, with poor Mary and the baby leaving before him. The Sun King received all three with open arms.

William and Mary became co-regents of British, the only co-regents England has ever had. As first cousins, each had equal right to the throne. William brought some Dutch troops with him and three regiments of Huguenots so recently escaped from France. Among these were some who would end their long and weary pilgrimage in Manakin in the Colony of Virginia.

Thought the glorious revolution was bloodless in England, in Ireland it was not. Louis greeted his protegé with more than open arms. He put a large body of French Catholic troops at his disposal. James brought them to Catholic Ireland where they were joined by many Irish fighters, and there the bloodless part of the revolution ended.

William gathered his own forces, some from most of the Protestant countries of Europe as well as his own Dutch and English troops. The three Huguenot regiments were led by old Marshall Schomberg. Louis XIV, for once showing a little gratitude, had told Schomberg that in view of his great services to France, he could stay in his beloved country and retain his Pretended Reformed Religion, if he would just keep it on a quiet, personal level. The seventy-year old marshall replied, "Thank you, sire, but I will go with my people."

The war began with the Battle of the Boyne in Ireland on July 12, 1690, with the old Marshall standing at the head of his regiments and saying, "Venez, mes enfants; voila vos persecuteurs!" [Come on boys, there are your persecutors.) Moments later he was cut down, but it was an overwhelming victory for the Protestants.

Ex-king James ran to Dublin where he said to the lady of the castle of that city, "I see your countrymen are great runners." "Yes," she replied, "And I see you won the race."

The battle of the Boyne is still being fought to this day, between the Catholic Irish and the Ulster or Protestant Scotch-Irish. But that battle did mark the beginning of a war that became known on the continent as the League of Augsburg. In England, it was known as the War of the Grand Alliance, for it banded together practically all of the Protestants on the continent and in the British Isles against France and Louis XIV. In the British American colonies, this war was known as King William's War.

The Battle of the Boyne, although a decisive victory for the Protestant alliance, was about the only battle which the Protestants won. Old Louis, however, was being worn down. The Huguenots were sustained by their hope that Louis would be finally defeated or that the arrogant old tyrant would die. But he lived on for eighteen years more, dying at the age of 77, a ripe old age for those times.

Among the hopes of many of the Huguenots was that with his death, they might be permitted to return to their beloved homeland, even if only a limited toleration for their religion was granted. Many had left considerable property behind, and they hoped to be able to recover some or all of it.

Such hopes ended with the signing of the Treaty of Ryswick in the Netherlands. That was in 1697, and now twelve of the fifteen years are accounted for. The only thing that the treaty gave to the Protestants was the recognition by Louis of William as the legitimate King of England.

We read so much of the arrogance, the selfishness, and the adulterous behavior of kings and emperors and their utter disregard for the welfare of simple, working people that it is refreshing to learn of a king who seems to have tried truly to live his Protestant, Calvinist religion. William showed his sincere grace when he asked the Huguenots, especially those who had fought for him so valiantly, how he could best help them. They soon decided that many would be agreeable to going to some one of the British American colonies, since it was now clear that returning to their beloved France was out of the question.

This decision was made, not because the French were especially unhappy in England or not because the British had not been kind to them. They had been more than kind. The problem was that most of the French Protestants were the rising middle class, looking to the coming industrial revolution. They were, for the most part, skilled art6isans, master craftsmen, tradesmen who were experts, many artists even, in all phases of textiles, ceramics, and metals. Neither England nor any other country could e expected to absorb such a sudden influx of such master craftsmen, lace makers, glovers, milliners, jewelers, workers in ceramics.

So King William agreed to see that his loyal friends and co-religionists got a new start in Virginia where there was plenty of space for them. He would pay their passages to the new country, give them land, and exempt them from all taxes for seven years. The gift of free passage was no small thing. In those days a crossing in six weeks was the shortest known, with two or two one-half months about average and three months not uncommon. For a common laborer to be out of production so long was unheard of, and for a skilled artisan, it was a great hardship. So most working people then came to American as indentured servants. Their passage money was advanced, but it took seven years to work off the debt, after their arrival. All this their grateful king, with the help of his people, gave them and more besides, without stint.

This generosity extended to instructions to captains of the four vessels involved about their diet, a touching account:

It is the intent and meaning of the said parties that they shall have allowances as followeth: To every passenger above the age of six years, seven pounds of bread each week, and to a mess, eight passengers to a mess, and to have two pieces of pork, at two pounds each piece, five days a week, with peas. And two days in the week to have two pound pieces of beef with peas, or one four pound piece of beef with a pudding, and with peas. And any time, if it should happen that they are not willing the kettle should be boiled, or by bad weather cannot, in such case every passenger shall have one pound of cheese every such day. And such children as are under six years of age are to have such allowances of flour, oatmeal, fruit, sugar, and butter as their overseers shall judge convenient for them.

That was quite a fine diet for those times! And again, we must praise good King William. No wonder the Manakin Huguenots immediately named their parish King William Parish in his honor and their sincere gratitude.

Four ships were placed at the disposal of the Huguenot pilgrims to Virginia; the names of three were "Ye Peter and Ye Anthony," "Mary Anne," and the "Nassau." The name of the fourth has been lost to history. According to the Cottrell family papers, it landed in Mobjack Bay, although others say it landed near what is now Langley Field and others the York River. In any case, it brought also the Rev. Louis Latané. The Cottrells were "Dover" Huguenots, meaning that they received a grant of land on the north shore of the James; the rest were on the southern or "Calais" side, with a grant of ten thousand acres.

The travel weary refugees were as well received by the colonial Virginians as by the England. The people of Jamestown, Williamsburg, and neighboring areas showered them with gifts both of useful household articles and with money. The Governor, Francis Nicholson, ordered a whole company of militia to escort them upriver to their new home, and to help them get settled.

I, among others, have often wondered how they must have felt when, after a few days, the militia left; they were alone in this then wilderness, alone with their thoughts. But after what they had been through, perhaps being alone in a wilderness so recently deserted by a primitive people did not frighten them. Surely many of them said, "The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not want..." and sang "Praise God from whom all blessings flow," that hymn written by their co-religionist Louis Bourgeois.

Our Calvinist friends from England who settled in New England called themselves pilgrims and perhaps they were. But these pilgrims had gone from France, to the Spanish Netherlands, to the Dutch Republic, to England, to Ireland, back to England, and, at last, to Manakin, Virginia-how much more were our ancestors pilgrims! Yet that word was not used. Apparently they were less inclined to glory themselves, and that is altogether fitting, but how they deserved to be remembered, not just as personal ancestors, but as a group for what they endured and for what they achieved.

They did have a germane saying, which they used frequently: "One never risks anything by serving God"! Think of what they risked: death by burning, death by hanging, women violated before their eyes, young children taken away, the living death of the galley slave, the imprisonment of women, the separation from loved ones-and much more. Yet those who made it to Manakin and risked them all could affirm, "One never risks anything by serving God." They had fought the good fight and kept the faith.

Sources:

Baird, Charles W. History of the Huguenot Emigration. 1885 (1966, 1979).

Brock, R. A. Documents Relating to the Huguenot Emigration to Virginia and the Settlement at Manakin-Town. 1886 (1962, 1966, 1973, 1979).

The Vestry Book of King William Parish, Virginia, 1707-1750.

More About ISAAC JULIAN:

Baptism: December 13, 1716, St. Annes Parish, Annapolis, Anne Arundel Co., MD.

Children of BARBARA WHITE and ISAAC JULIAN are:

6. i. REBECCA³ JULIAN, b. March 17, 1737/38, Frederick Co., VA; d. August 23, 1838, Knox Co., Tennessee.

ii. MARY MARTHA JULIAN, b. May 10, 1743, Frederick Co., VA; d. Randolph Co., North Carolina; m. NEHEMIAH ODELL, Abt. 1762, Randolph Co. NC.

iii. MARGARET JULIAN, b. Abt. 1746, Frederick Co., VA; d. Unknown; m. UNKNOWN ALLRED.

iv. ISAAC JULIAN, b. Abt. 1751, Frederick Co., VA; d. February 17, 1831, Henry Co., Indiana; m. SARAH LONG, Abt. 1774, Randolph Co. NC.

v. ABIGAIL JULIAN, b. Bet. 1751 - 1752, Frederick Co., VA; d. Abt. 1840, Randolph Co., North Carolina; m. SAMUEL M. TROGDON, October 05, 1770, Randolph Co. NC.

vi. CATHERINE JULIAN, b. Abt. 1753, Frederick Co., VA; d. Unknown; m. SOLOMAN EDWARD LONG, Maryland.

7. vii. RENE JULIAN, b. March 29, 1756, Winchester, Frederick Co., VA.; d. 1840, Knox Co., Tennessee.

3. REBECCA HANNAH² WHITE (ROBERT¹) was born Abt. 1721 in Winchester, Frederick Co., Virginia. She married ANTHONY DUNLAVY 1758 in Winchester, Frederick Co., Virginia. He was born Abt. 1735 in Ireland.

Children of REBECCA WHITE and ANTHONY DUNLAVY are:

i. FRANCIS³ DUNLAVY, b. December 31, 1761.

ii. DANIEL DUNLAVY, b. January 19, 1765.

iii. JOHN DUNLAVY, b. March 27, 1769.

iv. ANTHONY DUNLAVY.

v. HANNAH DUNLAVY.

vi. NAOMI DUNLAVY.

vii. REBECCA DUNLAVY.

4. MARGARET² WHITE (ROBERT¹) was born 1723 in Winchester, Frederick Co., Virginia. She married JAMES MCMILLAN Abt. 1750. He was born Abt. 1718 in Edinburgh, Scotland.

Children of MARGARET WHITE and JAMES MCMILLAN are:

i. MARY³ MCMILLAN.

ii. WILLIAM MCMILLAN.

5. ROBERT² WHITE (ROBERT¹) was born Abt. 1734, and died August 15, 1815. He married ELIZABETH UNKNOWN. She was born 1739.

Children of ROBERT WHITE and ELIZABETH UNKNOWN are:

i. JOHN³ WHITE, b. 1768.

ii. ALEXANDER WHITE.

iii. FRANCIS WHITE, b. 1761.

Generation No. 3

6. REBECCA³ JULIAN (BARBARA² WHITE, ROBERT¹) was born March 17, 1737/38 in Frederick Co., VA, and died August 23, 1838 in Knox Co., Tennessee. She married SAMUEL FRAZIER Abt. May 1771 in Randolph Co. NC.

Notes for REBECCA JULIAN:

Per Jean Frazier Freshour :

" Isaac Julian b. 1716 in Cecil Co. Md. and 1778 in Randolph Co. NC, md. ( 1 ) Unknown Hoge; he married ( 2 ) Barbara White 17/10. 1741 in Frederick Co. VA. "

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More research is needed to determine further verifcations on this line. - Tina Rogers Beller July 2003

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PER TINA ROGERS BELLER FILES :

Rebecca St. Julian is listed on the " The Journey to Manakin Town" as is Rene de St. Julian and Isaac St. Julian :

The Journey to Manakin Town, Virginia, in 1700

A Brief History of the Manakin Huguenots

Reverend Wilbur M. Sims

Lecture Presented October 30, 1993

The needs of the refugees were so great and the compassion of the English for them so strong, added to the sense of outrage at Louis XIV from both England and the Protestant French, that all became aware of the absolute necessity of a nationally organized offering for the refugee Huguenots. Such an effort required the approval of the monarch. The feelings of the English people were so strong that King James II, his position already becoming more insecure, almost have to give his consent. He gave it, but with the greatest reluctance. The resulting fund, the Royal Bounty, was anything but royal. It was the People's Bounty, those communicants of the Church of England and Dissenters who called the Huguenots their brothers. Even a few Roman Catholics in England gave to the fund.

Ex-king James ran to Dublin where he said to the lady of the castle of that city, "I see your countrymen are great runners." "Yes," she replied, "And I see you won the race."

This generosity extended to instructions to captains of the four vessels involved about their diet, a touching account:

Sources:

Baird, Charles W. History of the Huguenot Emigration. 1885 (1966, 1979).

Brock, R. A. Documents Relating to the Huguenot Emigration to Virginia and the Settlement at Manakin-Town. 1886 (1962, 1966, 1973, 1979).

The Vestry Book of King William Parish, Virginia, 1707-1750.

Notes for SAMUEL FRAZIER:

His tombstone reads: "A Whig of 1776, one of the framers of the Constitution in 1796."

Children of REBECCA JULIAN and SAMUEL FRAZIER are:

i. ABNERS⁴ FRAZIER, b. April 18, 1772, Region of Greene Co., Tennessee; d. May 17, 1843, Greene Co., Tennessee.

ii. SAMUEL FRAZIER, b. Abt. 1774; d. December 03, 1826.

iii. BERIAH FRAZIER, b. May 04, 1776; d. October 25, 1858; m. (1) ANNE REECE, Abt. 1802; m. (2) BARBARA GIBBS, May 01, 1806, Knox Co., Tennessee.

iv. REBECCA FRAZIER, b. June 03, 1779; d. Unknown.

8. v. JULIAN FRAZIER, b. November 07, 1781; d. December 16, 1846.

vi. THOMAS FRAZIER, b. December 25, 1783; d. Aft. 1850.

vii. BARBARA WHITE FRAZIER, b. August 23, 1787; d. April 07, 1859.

7. RENE³ JULIAN (BARBARA² WHITE, ROBERT¹) was born March 29, 1756 in Winchester, Frederick Co., VA., and died 1840 in Knox Co., Tennessee. He married CATHERINE ALLRED Abt. 1772 in Randolph or Guilford Co., NC, daughter of JOHN ALLRED and MARGARET CHENEY. She was born Abt. 1758 in Hillsborough, Randolph Co., North Carolina, and died Abt. 1842 in Knox Co., Tennessee.

Notes for RENE JULIAN:

Per Tina Rogers Beller Files :

"Virginia Northern Neck Land Grants, 1775 - 1800, Vol. III "

"Q-313 : THOMAS PUGH of Frederick County s and ase of JESSE PUGH 75 A. on Back Cr. in said Co. Surv. Dec. 12, 1752 made for Jesse Pugh by John Mauzy ff'd. ( See Bk. N ) Adj. GEORGE JULIAN, RENE JULIAN, JESSE PUGH. 23 July 1778. "

DNA TESTED By Gary Julian and family.

Per JULIEN/ JULIAN files :

Rene3 Julian (Isaac I.2, Rene1 Julien)24 was born 29 Mar 1749 in Frederick Co., Virginia, and died Abt. 1840 in Lawrence Co., Indiana. He married Catherine Allred Madden Abt. 1772 in Guilford Co., N.C., daughter of John Allred. She was born Abt. 1751 in Randolph Co., NC, and died Bef. 1830 in Knox Co, Tn..

Notes for Rene Julian:

Renne fought at the Battle of Guilford's Court House during the Revolutionary War. This is in Greensboro. Nathaniel Green was the commander. Renne was probably with state militia rather than the Continental Army. Green was very unhappy with the behavior of the Militia. They were poorly trained and had only hunting rifles and no bayonets. They were put out front and told to fire off two rounds, pull back and let the better trained army take over. Most ran after one shot, seeing the British rushing towards them with bayonets. A few fought very bravely. We do not know what Renne did that day. The British won but at a very high cost.

After the battle Renne, Solomon Trogdon and another man were captured by a Guerilla Army (Probably David Fanning, a well know Tory in the area) at the home place in Randolph Co. At the time his daughter Patience was a little girl. When the soldiers came inquiring where Renne Julian was, his wife told them he was not there. Patience spoke up and said, 'No Mamma, he is in the barn making a shuck collar". The three were captured and were being taken to prison. The first night out they escaped. The third man was killed but Renne and Soloman escaped by hiding in a hollow log. They lay there with soldiers on horses jumping over the log. This story was printed in the Allred Family Newsletter, page 12, Issue #40, Fall 1999. It was also in a school genealogy report by Carolyn Elain Allred.

Some sources say he died in Knox County, Tennessee.

also have birth date of 29 of March1756

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Per Tina Rogers Beller Files :

( research is pending in hopes of finding more verifications for Julian genealogies of the past ) .

Per the Greene Co. MO listing of ISAAC JULIAN b. 1786 NC, his parents brought him to Tennessee when he was about 10 years old. That would approximate a date of 1796 for Rene Julian and family arriving in Tennessee, said to be in KNOX Co. TN. - Tina Rogers Beller, Sept. 30, 2006.

Per Tina Rogers Beller Files ( 2006 )

1790 Randolph Co. NC Census : Image 4/20 on Ancestry Census data : On same image of this census are:

William Henson 13300

George Juland 12600

Rainey Juland 14500

John Jones 11100

Joseph Lane 12400

Isaac Lane 11100

Abraham Lane 10000

John Lane 13604

Henry York 11300

William York 11300

Samuel York 10500

Silvana York 21201

Semore York 12400

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1790 Randolph Co. NC census : Image 19/20 on Ancestry Census data :

Isaac Juland 14200

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Per Robert Julian posting to me on Nov. 18, 2003 listing that RENE JULIAN may have moved to TENNESSEE as early as 1796. :

Obituary via Misty Crow, reportedly from the Greene County files.

"Among prominent names that figured conspicously in Greene's history, none is of greater note or better known than that of Julian. Isaac Julian was born April 2,1786 in North Carolina. His parents brought him to Knox County Tn, when he was ten years of age ,and there he grew to manhood. He went to Indiana and lived there three years, killing bear, deer, etc. near where Bedford now stands , in Lawrence County. In 1821 he moved back to Monroe County Tn. and lived there sixteen years. He moved to Missouri in 1837 and settled upon Gran Prairie in Greene County where he lived until he died on July 27, 1872. He married Nancy Wood of Knox County Tn, by whom he had twelve children . Ten of whom , six girls and four boys, lived to be grown. Seven of his children are now living. Two Sons Isaac and Stephen were Captains in the U.S. army in the Late War." REJ

01 Nov 01: Above confirmed as found on page 718 of "History of Greene County, Missouri" by Sue Simmons (a second source). REJ

Per Bob Julian files :

Notes for Rene B Julian:

!Bohemia notes says: Married to Catherin Maden Randolph Co.NC To Knox Co. Tenn. and descendants to ??(Can't made out...Looks like maybe Mo????? JSJ

31 Jul 01: Ancestry.com 1790 census data found; Image 163, Roll M637_7, pg 4, listed as "Rainay Julon" showing wife, Catherine 42; sons Stephen 14, John 10, Rene 7, & Isaac 4; daughters Barbara 20, Patience 18, & Merriam 16. An additional female was indicated. Ages are extrapolated. REJ

More About Rene B Julian:

Census: 1790, In Randolph Co, NC w/wife & 8 kids

Notes for Catherine Allred Madden:

!7-11-1994: Charles Lee notes says: Catherine: This woman 's first marriage was to a Madden. How does this tie in with the Lina Madden and Lydia Julian ....JSJ

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Per Jean Frazier Freshour, Oct. 1, 2006 :

1830 Blount Co. TN Census shows ;

George Julian (My ggggrandfather) 1770-1845

I'm not clear when the region around Maryville-Wildwood became available (according to TN law!) for settlement by whites. "The District South of the French Broad & Holston" contained land claimed by whites already in 1791-1796; more was ceded in the Treaty of Tellico, 2 Oct 1798, but some land was retained by the Cherokee in SE Blount county. In 1833 it became lawful to claim land in the Hiwassee District. See TSLA map #408 [which I do not have].

Glenn Julian

Blount County Deeds

This is from Blount County, Tennessee Deeds 1819-1833 Abstracted by Jane

Kizer Thomas.

Each deed is sequentially numbered and indexed by deed number, not the page

on which the deed appears. Following the deed number, the book and page

number for each deed is shown in parentheses. This is followed by the date

the deed was written, the consideration for which property was conveyed;

description of the property, including location and adjoining property

owners, where shown, names of witnesses, and date of registration by county

clerk. (Deeds were often not registered until several years after they were

made).

214. (2:183-84) Archy Murphey to George Julian 20 Oct 1817 $350, 114 ac,

Granted to John Gibson and conveyed by him to Murphy. Wit: Isom Julian,

John JUlian 24 Dec 1821.

566. (2:479-80) James Julian to James Dunlap; 15 Jan 1827, $5, 40 acres on

Ellejoy Creek, adj James Dunlap's old line. Wit: John Julian, Samuel McTeer

15 June 1827.

771. (3:68-69) James Julian of McMinn Co to Lorenzo Donaldson: 12 Sep 1835,

$700, three tracts on waters of Ellejoy Creek adj Thomas McFee on east,

James Dunlap on the south and west, the first tract containing 129 ac.

Second tract containing 50 ad corner to his original survey, cor with

William Cummings. Third 140 ac excepting 40 ac of the last tract which was

conveyed to Dunlap by Julian "agreeable to a condition made between

[them]." Wit: Hugh Bogle, James H. Donaldson, 29 Oct 1835.

1043. (4:145-46) Adam Kounts to James Julian: 29 Jan 1831, $479, 179 ac on

waters of Ellejoy Creek, cor William Cummins, adj James Dunlap. Wit: D.D.

Foute, Henry Lamon, 7 May 1831.

Isom Julian also witnessed a deed of property on the waters of Little River

8 Feb 1832. Glenn Julian

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Per Tina Rogers Beller files :

We know from the 1850 Greene Co. MO census, that BARBARA JULIAN MURRAY ALEXANDER, ( daughter of Rene B. Julian and wife Catherine Allred Madden )

had moved to Greene Co. MO and lived with her 2nd husband Thomas Alexander there. Barbara Julian Murray Alexander's age is shown to be 70 in 1850 making

her born closer to 1780 than the 1770 date some are still using. We also know various other Murray, Alexander, Julian, Robertson and associated families also had

moved from TN, into Greene Co. MO as reflected by census's for them there also.

It appears in the same 1850 Greene Co. MO Census living next door to Barbara Julian Murray Alexander is her daughter MELINDA MURRAY and husband GUIAN LEEPER. ( census data shown below ) : ( Melinda Murray Leeper would later marry 2nd husband Josiah Mason, and have children by him and she then moved to Boone Co. AR, with her children. The Mason's and Leepers soon moved back to Greene Co. MO after 1870 Boone Co. AR Census. Melinda Murray Leeper Mason's son, G. J. LEEPER sold his land in Boone Co. AR to GDB ROGERS, my G. Grandfather when he arrived in Boone Co. AR from Carroll Co. TN. ( refer to notes under J. G. / G. J. Leeper, son of Melinda Murray and husband Guian Leeper, for the transcription of this Dec. 1870 Boone Co. AR Deed from Leeper to Rogers. - Tina Rogers Beller, May 26, 2006.

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1850 GREENE CO. MO Census : Boone TWP enumerated on 23rd day of Oct. 1850 by Wm. G. Roberts, Asst. Marshall :

hh 1179 - 1179

GUIAN LEEPER age 35 M 2000 b. TN

Melinda Leeper 30 F b. TN ( d/o Barbara Julian and 1st Husband Unknown Murray )

James M. Leeper 7 M b. MO

John W. Leeper 4 M b. MO

Guian Leeper 2 M b. MO

California Leeper 1/12 F b. MO ( California b. abt. Aug-Sept. 1850 Greene Co. MO )

OTHER CENSUS DATA FOR Rene Julian's daughter, BARBARA JULIAN MURRAY ALEXANDER the following is found which suggests Barbara Julian b. bet. 1778-1781 NC :

1850 Greene Co. MO Census Boone TWP shows Barbara Julian Murray now an ALEXANDER. Barbara Julian had first husband ALEXANDER MURRAY whom she may have married in Randolph co. NC prior to 1799 and after Alexander Murray died sometime prior to 1830 in TN, Barbara Julian Murray then married 2nd husband THOMAS ALEXANDER and moved to Greene Co. MO where they are shown on this 1850 Greene Co. MO. Census :

1850 Greene Co. MO Census Boone TWP shows Barbara Julian Murray now an ALEXANDER was also living next door to her daughter MALINDA MURRAY and husband GUIAN LEEPER shown above in same 1850 GREENE Co. MO Census : ( living next door in HH 1178 is Thomas Alexander and Barbara Julian Murray Alexander the mother of MELINDA MURRAY LEEPER in HH 1179 : )

HH 1178-1178 ALEXANDER, THOMAS age 68 b. NC ( farmer )

" , Barbara age 70 b. NC ( Barbara Julian Murray Alexander, b. abt. 1780 NC per this census data )

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Randolph County, NC - Petitions - 1785 & 1788

Randolph County, NC, Petitions 1785 and 1788

The following two petitions dating from the late 1780s and listing many

male residents of Randolph County, NC, in the late 1780s have been of great

value to genealogists in identifying not only many heads of households

living in the new county, but also many unmarried males, some of whom I

believe had not reached their majority when they signed the petitions. The

petitions followed within 10 years the formation in 1779 of Randolph

County, which before being formed consisted of the southern third of

Guilford County, Guilford in turn having been stricken off Orange County in

1771.

The two petitions to the North Carolina State Assembly ensued from

dissatisfaction by the county residents signing the first petition, about

1785, with the location of the county courthouse and other county

government activities in the northeastern part of the new county. Location

of the seat of government at such a great distance from residents in the

south part required them to spend more than a day reaching the seat of

government, attempting to conduct their business there during daytime

hours, and returning home. This petition, containing 331 names, asked that

the courthouse, jail, stocks (punishment and confinement devices), and

other governmental operations be moved to the center of the county. On the

other hand, most of those living in or near the area where court and other

county business was transacted preferred that the seat of government remain

where it was in the northeastern location, and they, in turn presented a

second petition in 1788 with 360 names to theState Assembly urging that the

courthouse not be moved.

After consideration for several years amidst political maneuvering by both

factions, the State Assembly finally acted to relocate the courthouse to a

site near the center of the county, where the new court held its first

session on Wednesday, 12 June 1793. The new site was named Asheborough --

now Asheboro -- after Samuel Ashe, North Carolina governor from 1795 to

1798. The two petitions were found among the papers of the State Assembly

in the 1970s, and an excellent article appeared in the Journal of the

Randolph County Genealogical Society in the fall of 1978-79 under the

authorship of Mac Whatley (Lowell McKay) Jr., of Asheboro, describing the

background of and the political considerations that attended the actions

which ended with the relocation of the county seat.

Two matters about the petitions are of concern to genealogy. The first is

that there are a number of duplicate names, most resulting from the actions

of two militia commanders signing the names of the members of their company

to the second petition "by consent," a number of these 155 residents having

already signed the first petition. The second is that the names of several

members of a family sometimes appear to be in the same handwriting, and

includes household members who are known from placing their "marks" on

deeds and other sworn documents to have been unable to sign their own

names; but their names nevertheless attest to their presence in Randolph

County at the time.

1785 Petition

To the Honourable the Gennerall Assembly for the State of North Carolina

The Petition of the Inhabitance of Randolph County Humbly Sheweth That a

Number of them Labour at a Great Disadvantage in Attending on Public

Meetings Owing to the Place Whare the Coarte is held being so fare from the

Center of the said County We your Humble Petitioners Beg that your

Honourable Boddy Would Pass an Act Directing that Commishoners be Appointed

for the Purpose of Centering the Said County & Erecting the Publick

Buildings At or Neare the Center of the Said County and We your Petitioners

are Ever Bound to Pray etc.

Richard BIRD Jas. (x) MALLETT Richard BEAN

William BIRD Jas. (x) LATHEM Junr. Peter VONKANNEN

Nimrod BREWER Wm. (x) READESenr. Asel DOLLERHIDE

Thos. MULLINS ______ POWERS Senr. Wm. VONKANNEN

Nathaniel MULLIN Aaron HILL George TRIPITT

Arther READE Arther READE Junr. Daniel PRESNALL

Bird POWERS Isaac COX Wm. WRIGHT

Wm. RAINS Thoms. CARTER Jno. LUCAS

John RAINS Henry CRAVEN Uriah WRIGHT

Jesse PITTS Jno. WILLIAMSON Peter VONKANNEN

Jas. WILSON Henry BROWN George TUCKER

Wm. TEAGUE Wm. NEEDHAM Thos. TUCKER

Magnass TEAGUE Math. DEATON Jas. TUCKER

Isaac REDFARN Eldrig DEATON Jno. TUCKER

John RUSTAIN Benjamin WILLIAMS Jno. TUCKER

Abreham HAMMER Wm. (x) READE Junr. Jno. HARVEY

Joseph ROUTH Joseph BOOKOUT Michael HARVEY

Jerremiah MULLIN Marmen (x) BOOKOUT George DOLLERHIDE

Peter CRAVEN Charles BOOKOUT Wm. DAVIS

Thoms. CRAVEN Wm. RICHARDS Jno. LATHEM

Jacob ROUTH Wm. DITTO (RICHARDS) Wm. LATHEM

Edward ROUTH Jno. COX Jacob MOSER

James Allred Shadreik Ditto (COX) Johnson KING Junr.

Aaron Hopkins Francis CHANEY Junr. Wm. BEAN

Mosses DIFFEY Saml. HENDRIX Thos. KING

Sollamon TROGDON Wm. YORK Obediah HUDSON

John AVERY Joseph HENDRIX Christian LUTHER

John TROGDON John HODGEN Saml. REED

Moses HOPKINS Abreham TAYLOR Jno. REED

Samuel WALKER Wm. (x) KENDELEE Nat. TUCKER

John DUNCAN Emanuel ASSBELL Senr. Mikhel BOLLIN

Dennis HOPKINS Howell BREWER Senr. Jno. STEED

Josiah HOPKINS Jas. PRESNALL Charles BOLLIN

Dennis HOPKINS Richard COXE Drury RICHESON

Charles DUNCAN Joseph LEWALLING Christopher ETHERTON

William SWORFORD William HARVEY Jno. ROLLIN

Jacob LOWDERMACK Joseph WRIGHT Calob COXE

John LOWDERMACK Richard GRAVES Ben. BLAND

John LOWDERMACK Junr. George LUCAS Vachel HANDCOCK

Philop LOWDERMACK George TUCKER Jno. HANDCOCK

Flourance TAYLOR Johnson KING Senr. Jno. BOLLIN Junr.

Windsor PEARCE Wm. RICHESON Jon CARMAN

Joseph HIX Wm. HARVEY Daniel COX

Arther SMITH Mark COLE Joseph BROWN

Michall ANDRESS Jno. WILLIAMS Sm. RATLIFF

Jas. LEDFORD Wm. PRESNALL Amos RATLIFF

Jno. HASE Jeremiah OZIER Bury THOMSON

Wm. MALLETT Wm. TUCKER Michail HARVEY

Jno. WILLIAMS Junr. David CRANFORD Peter KING

Mathew COLE Lanerd CRANFORD _____NEADOM

John HARVEY Finch CARTER John HOLLOWDAY

Daniel PRESNALL Elis CRANFORD Thos. LUCAS

Stephen PRESNALL Eleven? CRANFORD Isaac WILLIAMS

Michail HARVEY Senr. William CRANFORD Wm. LUCAS

Michael HARVEY Junr. William CRANFORD Wm. PITMAN

Jesse HARVEY Samuel CRANFORD John CONNER

John HARVEY Charles HOPKINS Johnson KING

Jasper CUNCE Thomas HARDEST ER Jas. PITMAN

John KEARNS Sammul HOPKINS Matthew COLE

Isac KEARNS Thomas TOLBORD John GRAVES

Silas KEARNS George HAREGROVE William GRAVES

John BALEY William HANAH Nathaniel TUCKER

Joshua COX Richard BEAN Will. BLAND

Thos. COX William QUEEN Moses BLAND

Henry RAMSOWERS John SUGG Rolle SPINKS

John HENLEY Thomas RANDOL John PEARCE

Nathan COX James RANDOL John READ

Miles GLASGO Thomas RANDOL John SPIVEY

William Cole Junr. Richard FINCHER William SEARCY

Stephen HUSSEY John AVERY? Joseph CARR

Christopher HUSSEY Thos. WILLIAMS Wm. ARGO

Thos. CASTELO ______ WILLIAMS Robt. CARR

Benj. COX Jorg WILLIAMS John DEATON

James GOODWIN Thomas BRUCKSHER Isack KORNEDY

Paule ENGLE Samuel PICKET Archebol McNORTON

Moses HAMMON John HOPSON Moses GEORGE

Jno. HAMMON ______ CAGLE Charles Gery

James SCOT Stephan PRESNALL John PUTMON

Danul SCOT Morgan EDWARDS Gidethon MACON

Will. COX John SCOT Jas. BOWDON

Jeremiah COX Jon RICHESON Howel BREWER

Jno. COX Moses HAMMONS William BOWDON

Wm. LATHEM Jno. Needham John SPINKS

Christor. (x) ASSBELL William SMOTHERMAN Lewis SPINKS

Isaac BREWER Benjamin READER Garrto SPINKS

Reuben BREWER Jno. LAURENCE Enoch SPINKS

John SMITH Moses GEORGE Matthew HAMILTON

Wm. (x) COLYER Senr. Cornelias LATHRAM John LONDON

Wm. (x) COLYER Junr. Thos. COST Sen. William READ

John PRESNELL Thos. COST Junr. William CONSTAND

Jorg POWER Jas. LATHAM Senr. John COSTAND

Maning BRUCKSHER Johnson LATHAM Adam ANDREWS

Jacob SKEEN Wm. LAURENCS David ANDREWS

Jonathan EDWARDS Jesse KING Charles STEWART

Jos. WADE Joseph ___DSON Derias MASH

William BRUCKSHER Abr. PRESNALL W. DUSKIN

William LACEY John JOHNSON John DUNCAN

John AMICK Linsey BELL Nehemiah ODELL

Hardeman PORCHS Wm. BELL William TROGDON

Isaac ODELL David (x) POWERS Jshua KINWORTHEY

George JULEN Jesse COMBER Abram HAMONS

Enock BERREY Thos. WADDILL Balam HALSY

Edwd. JONES John NEEDHAM Senr. Thomas COCKS

Wm. DAVIS William SMOTHERMAN William COX

William PEARCE Benjamin READOR Ws.? Ths.? KINWORTHY

Dennis (x) CARPENDER John LAURANCE Abram WILLIAMS

David (x) ANDREWS Junr. Thoms. (x) COST Senr. Nathanial COX

Nathan HORNADY Thoms. (x) COST Junr. Jesey HAMONS

William CAULL Wm. SMITH Samuel BROWN

Jas. POWERS John COCKS Wm. BROWN

Daniel BEDSALL

1788 Petition

To the Honourable the General Assembly of the State of North Carolina

The Petition of Sundry Inhabitants of Randolph Couny humbly Sheweth that a

good Court House Prison Pillory & Stocks have been lately Erected at the

Cross Roads, in, and for the use of, the said County; That Some people

however Seem to be dissatisfied therewith & perhaps may send a petition to

the Assembly, to get the Said Publick Buildings removed, or in other words,

to Cause a new Set to be Erected at some other place; We Your petitioners

therefore humbly pray that the may be continued at the Cross Roades; and we

further pray that an Act of Assembly be passed to lay of & Establish a Town

at the said Cross Roades, and Your Petitioners as in Duty Bound Shall ever

pray etc.

Robert BRATTAN Joseph JACKSON John LOWE

Joseph SMITH John MURDOCK Christ. NATION

Phillip RODY Joseph CURTIS James DUNBAR

Bartho. GROGAN Benjamin MEANS Amor DAVIS

Isac ROBINS Sen. Christopher NATION Mathew McFETRIDGE

Jacob HOOVER Abram NATION Daniel FERREE

Edw. BEESON Daniel HOOVER Saml. ALEXANDER

James SMITH Isaac RIGHT Abram. ELIOTT

Stepn. ALEXANDER Wm. ALEXANDER George MOORE

John HUSBANDS George YOUNT Isrel ELIOTT

John SMITH Subal YORK James BAIN

John THOMPSON Simor YORK Wm. ELIOTT

George ALEXANDER Wm. RIDGE Joseph CLARK

Wm. ALEXANDER Wm. ROBINS Wm. COLTRAIN

John JOHNSON Dan MERREL Nathl. KERR

John McDAID Jos. ELIOTT Saml. ELIOTT

Silas WORTH Wm. WILSON John LOVE Ser.

Frank. DOLLERHIDE Jacob VARNOR Elija MOLLEY

Joseph LAIN Jacob KEEVIT John WHITE, Insign

Wm. MATHEWS Solomon EVINS John SWIFT

Malcom CAMMEL Francis FRAZUR James Fruit

John EAMICK Hugh BLARE Evin HARRIS

Wm. WILSON Henry JOHNSON George WRIGHT

James ROUTH Eli BURGESS John ALLREAD

George BLACK John HUSBAND Elias SWIFT

John ALDREG William GRAY John DUNCAN

Wm. BURGESS John SPENCER Charles DUNCAN

John FRAISURE Samuel Clark Wm. YORK

Saml. STOUT Moses Robines Semor YORK

Antheny RAINS Robert GRAY Jesse STROUD

John WALKER Joseph JOHNSTON John STROUD

Eli LOLLAR James CURTES Stiphen LEWIS

Robert WILKERSON Thomas WHITE Thos. GARNOR

Jacob ROUTH Andrew MEANS Wm. BARKER

James FRAZURE Andrew McPHEETERS Hugh GAVIN

John CAMPBELL John HILL Wm. SMITH

Solomon MOFFETT Nathan LOW Isaac LAIN

Ezekiel ALLDREDGE Saml. McFETRIDGE John CRABTREE

Absalom McDANIEL David COLTRAIN Wm. SWAFORD

John Burgess Joshua CURTIS Raney JULIN

Peter KEEVIT Joseph ROBINS Solomon LONG

Edmond YORK William BRATTAIN Semor YORK

Edmnond HAYS James YORKE Junr. Isaac YORK

John LOLLAR Wm. MILLIKAN Shubel JULIN

Jacob STEALY Edward GRAY Thos BENSON

Jas. MOFFETT Thomas SHARP Isaac ODEL

John LINEBURY Pephere? BRYAN Amos COX

Dobson BURROW (Petter?) Archebel HOPPER

Michael BEECK Isaac SNOW Jas. BOTSFORD

Jeffre BECK Ebenezer SNOW John ALLREAD son of John

Adam BROWER Conaway STONE William ALLREAD Jur.

Jacob WATSON Isaac ELDERS Solomon TROGDON

Jones BURROW John ELDERS John TROGDON

Abraham LANE John STILES Robert WALKER

Wm. DAVIS Abner LOE Samuel WALKER of Wm.

Peter STOUT William BAILEY Wm. COOD

Wm. WILLIAMS Thomas HILL Tobias MOSER

Henry GARNER William FAGAN Samuel Walker son of Sol.

Wm. COX Clement WOOD Ezekiel WELBURN

John BARKER William THORNBERY Joseph McLAIN

Abraham McDANIEL Edward CLARK John WILBORN

David CHAPLAN William SWIGERT John JONES

Alexander CAMPBEL Phinehas HUNT Joh- HUTSON

Evin LOLLAR Marmaduke VICKERY Jas. PUGH

Wm. Mc GOUNE John DENNIS Wm. HUSBANDS

Balaam BURROW Enos BLEAIR John HUSBANDS

John CLAP R. McLAIN, Capt. James McCOLLUM

John MILLAR Thos. SWIFT, Liut. John GRIMES

Isaac McDANIEL Cristen MORRICE John DAFREN

John AVERY John CHANEY John CHAMBERS

Stephen JONES John WHITE Junr.

Signed by the Consent of My Company by Me, R. McLEAN, Capt.

Notes for CATHERINE ALLRED:

Catherine Julian is named in her father's ( John Allred's ) will :

John's 1792 Will

(transcribed as written)

In the name of God, Amen. I John Allred of Randolph County and State of North Carolina being sick and weak in body though of perfect mind and memory thanks be to God for it calling to mind the mortality of my body and knowing that it is appointed for all men once to die do make ordain constitute and appoint this my last will and testament in manner following declaring this only to be my last will and testament utterly revoking and disavowing all other wills and testaments by me made and in the first place recommending my Soul to God who gave it nothing doubting but I shall receive the same again at the last day by the mighty power of God and my body to be buried in a decent Christian manner at the discretion of my Executor and my just debts and funeral charges to be paid.

Item I give and bequeath to my son John Allred the sum of forty shillings to be paid out of my estate

Item I give and bequeath to my son Joseph Allred one half of my land to wit the upper part containing one hundred and twenty five acres. I give to my son Joseph one cow

Item I give and bequeath to my son Jonathan Allred the other half of my land including the dwelling home.

Item I give to my said son Jonathan one cow

Item I give and bequeath to my daughter Elizabeth Horner the sum of ten shillings to be raised out of my estate.

Item I give and bequeath to my daughter Catherine Julian the sum of ten shillings to be raised out of my estate.

Item I give and bequeath to my daughter Susannah Guren the sum of ten shillings to be raised out of my estate.

Item I give and bequeath to my daughter Lidy one cow

Item I give and bequeath to my daughter Rebecca one cow

Item I give and bequeath to my daughter Margaret one mare coult and likewise my bed and bedstead and one cow and likewise ten pounds to be raised out of my estate and my will further is that my negroe man and my horses and the remainder of my cattle exclusive of what is mentioned in the will shall be sold and the money summing there from to be equally divided amongst the following children to wit Joseph Allred, Jonothan Allred, Barbara York, Sarah Allred, Mary Allred, Liddy Allred, Rebecca Allred and Margaret Allred and further I do constitute and appoint Renny Julien and Isaac Julien Executors to this my last will and testament in witness whereof I have set my hand and seal the fifteenth day of September 1792.

Signed and Sealed and pronounced his

in the presence of John Allred (Seal)

Isaac Odell mark

John Duncan

Enoch Davis

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State of North Carolina

Randolph County

December Term 1792

It having been certified to the Court that John Allred is dead and hath made his last will and testament in writing a copy of which is hereunto annexed - Renny Julian and Isaac Julian - Executors in said will named qualified accordingly. These are therefore authorized and impower the said Executors to act as such observing the directions of the act of assembly in that case made and provided. Given at the Clerks offices in Randolph the second Monday of December Anno Domi 1792 in the 7 year of our Independence.

I Harper CC

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Per Bob Julian files :

Ancestry.com 1790 census data found; Image 163, Roll M637_7, pg 4, listed as "Rainay Julon" showing wife, Catherine 42; sons Stephen 14, John 10, Rene 7, & Isaac 4; daughters Barbara 20, Patience 18, & Merriam 16. An additional female was indicated. Ages are extrapolated. REJ )

Later census data showed that Barbara Julian born between 1778 - 1781 NC and not 1770- 1771. Her husband Alexander Murray b. abt. 1775 NC and the 1800 Randolph Co. NC Census for ALEXANDER MURRAY ( MOURRRI ) shows female of similar age to Alexander and a young boy of age to be their first son JOHN A. MURRAY b. 1799 NC.

01 Nov 01: Above confirmed as found on page 718 of "History of Greene County, Missouri" by Sue Simmons (a second source). REJ

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Per Tina Rogers Beller Files :

1790 Randolph Co. NC Census :

RAINEY JULAND 1 - 4 - 5 - 0 - 0

1 free white male of 16 and upwards, including heads of families

4 free white males under 16 years old

5 free white females including heads of families

0 all other free persons

0 slaves

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Also listed on the same census page as RAINEY JULAND are :

GEORGE JULAND

JOSEPH LANE

ISAAC LANE

JOHN LANE

JAMES McCOLLUM

ISAAC McCOLLUM

ABRAHAM WILLIAMS and many others.

Children of RENE JULIAN and CATHERINE ALLRED are:

i. PATIENCE⁴ JULIAN, b. September 18, 1772, Millboro, Randolph Co., NC; d. February 02, 1856, Randolph Co., North Carolina; m. WILLIAM ALLRED.

ii. MARIUM JULIAN, b. Abt. 1774, Millboro, Randolph Co., NC; d. Abt. 1848, Franklin Co., Illinois; m. JAMES SWOFFORD, Abt. 1790, Randolph Co. NC.

iii. WILLIAM JULIAN, b. Abt. 1775.

iv. STEPHEN ALLRED JULIAN, b. October 31, 1776, Millboro, Randolph Co., NC; d. November 19, 1852, Seymour, Missouri; m. CATHERINE SARAH BYRAM, Abt. 1799, Tennessee.

9. v. BARBARA JULIAN, b. Bet. 1778 - 1781, Millboro, Randleman, Randolph Co., NC.

vi. JOHN C. JULIAN, b. Abt. 1780, Millboro, Randolph Co., NC; d. January 01, 1869, Knox Co., Tennessee; m. LUCRETIA CHILDRESS, Bef. 1805, Knox Co., Tennessee.

vii. RENE JULIAN, b. September 06, 1783, Millboro, Randolph Co., NC; d. March 16, 1861, Pleasant Run TWP, Lawrence Co., Indiana; m. (1) FRANCES HENDERSON, December 27, 1821, Bedford, Lawrence Co., Indiana; m. (2) ELLEANOR EAST, July 23, 1836, Lawrence Co., Indiana.

viii. ISAAC JULIAN, b. April 02, 1786, Millboro, Randolph Co., NC; d. July 28, 1872, Cave Springs, Cass TWP, Greene Co., MO.; m. NANCY WOOD, Abt. 1806, Tennessee.

Generation No. 4

8. JULIAN⁴ FRAZIER (REBECCA³ JULIAN, BARBARA² WHITE, ROBERT¹) was born November 07, 1781, and died December 16, 1846. He married ELIZABETH UNKNOWN.

Child of JULIAN FRAZIER and ELIZABETH UNKNOWN is:

10. i. FRANKLIN T.⁵ FRAZIER, b. March 16, 1810, Knoxville, Knox Co., Tennessee; d. Unknown.

9. BARBARA⁴ JULIAN (RENE³, BARBARA² WHITE, ROBERT¹) was born Bet. 1778 - 1781 in Millboro, Randleman, Randolph Co., NC. She married (1) ALEXANDER MURRAY Bef. 1799 in North Carolina, son of JAMES MURRAY and UNKNOWN ERWIN. He was born Abt. 1775 in Virginia or North Carolina, and died Bef. 1830 in Tennessee. She married (2) THOMAS ALEXANDER Bet. 1830 - 1840.

Notes for BARBARA JULIAN:

Per Tina Rogers Beller files : - Dec. 28, 2006

1800 Randolph Co.NC Census :

ELIJAH MURROUI 00010 - 10010 - 00

ALEXANDER MURROUI 10010- 00010 - 00

Alexander Murroui may be Alexander Murray and wife Barbara Julian with their young son John A. Murray b. abt. 1799 NC. Elijah Murroui is possibly a brother to Alexander, and Elijah moved to Indiana and died there.

The first record we find of name of Barbara Murray in Monroe Co. TN is the certified Oct. 1829 Deed of Robert Fields to heirs of Samuel Cate concerning property adjacent to Barbara Murray but she is listed in this deed as Barber Murries. ( see deed below ) :

Monroe Co. TN Deed Book B 1824 - 1832

Page 81, Nov. 45

ROBERT FIELDS to heirs of SAMUEL CATE for $80, approx. 40 acres, on Pond Creek, NE corner adj. BARBER MURRIES line to Mud Creek to JOHN BAILEYS spring to JAMES WITTERS.

ROBERT FIELDS ( SEAL )

Attest : S. Y. JAMESON

SAMUEL JAMESON

Certified : 10 October, 1829

Barbara Julian Murray lived near her brother Isaac Julian in Monroe Co. TN by 1830 census. Listed below is a Greene Co. MO file telling about Isaac Julian having been born April 2, 1786 NC and that his parents ( Rene Julian and wife Catherine Allred ) moved the family to KNOX CO. TN when he was ten years old.

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Per Robert Julian posting to me on Nov. 18, 2003 listing that RENE JULIAN may have moved to TENNESSEE as early as 1796. :

Obituary via Misty Crow, reportedly from the Greene County files.

01 Nov 01: Above confirmed as found on page 718 of "History of Greene County, Missouri" by Sue Simmons (a second source). REJ

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Per Tina Rogers Beller Files :

Isaac's sister, Barbara Julian was born between 1778 - 1781 NC the best we can establish from her later census records in Missouri. So Barbara Julian would have been between the ages of 15 to 18 when she moved with her parents to Tennessee if she was yet to be married. However some believe that Barbara Julian had married Unknown Murray in North Carolina and it may be they either came with her parents to Knox Co. TN in 1796 or were later arrivals as Barbara Murray is listed as widow on the 1830 Monroe Co. TN Census living with her are her children by Unknown Murray. Her older son Renne Murray b. 1801 NC / TN had married Anna Elliott in Knox Co. TN on August 06, 1822 and then moved to McMinn Co. TN where their first four children were born. It is unknown as of now, whether Barbara Julian Murray and her Unknown Murray husband had lived in Knox Co. TN too in 1822, but it is possible that Barbara didn't arrive in Monroe Co. TN until later on. The first we find a note on Barbara Murray being in Monroe Co. TN is the referrence to her above in the 1829 Monroe Co. TN Land deed of Richard Fields. The FIELDS family were Cherokee and lived on the Cherokee land that was opened to white settlements in about 1820 and afterwards.

David Jackson's information from the MURRAY family, had mentioned the following :

Per Tina Rogers Beller files :

sent by David Jackson on Feb. 23, 2005 and this is written by UNKNOWN SOURCE in the MURRAY/ JULIAN family :

"Renne Murray born May 25, 1801, a son of ALEXANDER and BARBARY ( JULIAN ) MURRAY. "

" ALEXANDER was born in Randolph Co. VA " ( think they mean NORTH CAROLINA as no county is named RANDOLPH in VA. some have listed that Alexander Murray was born about 1775 in Randolph Co. NC, but so far no one has given any verfications for him. I have not been able to find more on the name of Alexander Murray who would have been a single male, in either North Carolina or Tennessee that would fit his age, to have married Barbara Julian. - Tina Rogers Beller, Dec. 27, 2006 )

" BARBARY was born the same. " (* Barbara Julian born in RANDOLPH CO. NORTH CAROLINA between 1778-1781 ).

" ALEXANDER a son of JAMES MURRAY of VA. "

"JAMES MURRAY's father came from England to PA. in an early day. "

" JAMES MURRAY had 4 children by first wife namely IRVIN boy ALEXANDER; ELIXY ( went to IND. ) ; ELIZABETH and POLLY were reared in VA after JAMES MURRAY moved to WASHINGTON Co. TENN. and reared up a large family by his second wife. Some of their names were JOHN ; WILLIAM ; and JAMES. "

" BARBARY ( JULIAN ) MURRAY was a daughter of RENNE JULIAN and ( Miss ALLRED ) JULIAN, her given name not known. RENNE JULIAN came from PA. to VA. His father came from France to PA. the first settling of America. RENNE JULIAN had one brother living in VA., named ISAAC. He had a family of 9 children namely, TOBAS, BOHANNEN, ISAAC, JACOB, RENNY, SHUBAL, NELLIE, POLLY, PATSY. "

" RENNE and MISS ALLRED JULIAN had a family of 8 children, STEVEN, JOHN, RENNE, ISAAC, PATENTS ( Patience ) , MIRIM, BARBARY, BETSY, ( Renne were buried in Lucas Co. IOWA ) . ISAAC died in GREEN( E ) Co. MO. STEVEN died in MO. "

David's information says that Renne Murray and his mother Barbara Julian Murray Alexander and her 2nd husband Thomas Alexander are all buried in the Ash Grove Cem. in Greene Co. MO. However, others state that they have not yet found the gravesites for Barbara Julian Murray Alexander and husband Thomas Alexander, and perhaps they could be in unmarked graves in Ash Grove Cem. in Ash Grove, Greene Co. MO. We know Renne Murray is buried in the Ash Grove Cemetery with other family members. More research and follow up is needed to establish if this is the burial site for Barbara and her 2nd husband. Per David Jackson information to me on Feb. 08, 2005, he stated that Barbara Julian born Nov. 2, 1789 in Randolph Co. NC, but I have seen no proof of that other than the date he listed for her. David also listed that Barbara Julian's husband was Alexander Murray b. abt. 1775 Randolph Co. NC but no verifications for him have been found yet. - Tina Rogers Beller, Dec. 27, 2006.

Barbara Murray was a close neighbor to Thomas Alexander in 1830 Monroe Co. TN; Thomas was apparently a widower with several children at home; Barbara and Thomas apparently married sometime between 1830-1840; no Marriage Record has been located in Monroe County, TN nor in Greene Co. MO. - 2004

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Per Tina Rogers Beller Files : ( Sept. 03, 2006 ) :

Monroe County Tennessee

Deed Books A - D

1820-1834

Deed Book B 1824 - 1832 :

{age 81, No. 45 :

DEED -

Robert Fields to heirs of Samuel Cate for $80, approx. 40 acres, on Pond Creek, NE corner adj. BARBER MURRIES line to Mud Creek to John Baileys spring to James Witters.

Robert Fields ( Seal )

Attest : S. Y. Jameson

Certified 10 October, 1829

Also listed is ISAAC JULIAN as a witness to the sale of Isaac Vann's CHEROKEE NATION land of 640 acres to Thomas Bunch, Hugh Boyd, Armsead Beler and Robert Snead for $2000 and was registered on 12 April, 1833. ( see below the other Monroe Co. TN files on ISAM JULIAN ) :

(My Question would be : Could John Bailey who is neighbor of Barber / Barbery Murries/ Murrays property be a father to Elizabeth Betsy Bailey b. 19 Apr. 1792 in Rutherford Co. NC who married SAMUEL JULIAN b. 5 Apr. 1792 Mecklenburg/ Union Co's NC. ? Samuel Julian is the son of George Julian b. 1770 NC and wife Rebecca McKinney per some and this George Julian b. 1770 NC died ( per some listings ) on Feb. 5, 1845 in Blount Co. TN. We see the names of GEORGE, and SAMUEL JULIAN on files in OCOEE DISTRICT Early Land records in 1841 and 1842. We also see ISOM / ISAM JULIAN on records in 1836 Monroe Co. TN Deed Books. George Julian b. 1770 NC who d. 1845 in Blount Co. TN is the son of JACOB JULIAN b. 1730 Cecil Co. MD who is son of another GEORGE JULIAN b. 1706 Bohemia Manor in Cecil Co. MD and this George b. 1706 MD is son of Rene Julian b. 1669 and wife Mary Margaret Bullock who are buried in Frederick Co. VA. So these would be JULIAN Cousins to our BARBARA JULIAN MURRAY, perhaps. The files for these Julian's who may be cousins to Barbara are listed as follows : - Tina Rogers Beller, Oct. 09, 2006.

Monroe Co. TN Deed Books E - H : 1834 - 1836

Per Tina Rogers Beller Files : ( regarding other JULIANS in Monroe Co. TN in the 1830's )

Shown in the Monroe Co. TN Deed Books E - H, dated 1834 - 1836

( transcriptions by Hayes ) we see following JULIANS listed :

Deed Book H January 1836 - September 1836

Pg. 36 of transcriptions :

Page 33, No. 14 in Deed Book H. :

Deed of Mortgage :

Alfred Thomason to Jesse C. Moore for $1, 260 acres, T3 R2E, SW qtr. of Sec. 7, upon condition if Thomason will pay to Moore the money or produce named in the following notes; one for $288.05 which may be discharged in corn at 25 cents per bushel delivered at Moore's mill, and one for $304.35 which may be discharged the same way; upon payment of the above notes, then the mortgage to be void, otherwise to remain good.

Alfred Thomason

Test : LS. JULIAN

Solomon Stansburry ( X - his mark )

Registered 12 Febry. , 1836.

Monroe Co. TN Deed Books E - H, dated 1834 - 1836

Deed Book H January 1836 - September 1836

page 70 of Transcriptions by Hays

page 108, No. 50 in Deed Book H

DEED

"John Rogers and ISAM JULIAN, Admin. of estate of JONAS ROGERS, dec'd, to William Tankesley of Blount Co., being highest bidder at $500, 160 acres sold at public sale, T1 R3E, NE Corner of NE qtr., No. 200, of Sec. 29 in Hiwassee District.

John Rogers ( Seal )

ISAM JULIAN ( Seal )

Attest : Wm. H. White

Wm. Henderson

Registered : 28 March, 1836

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Monroe Co. TN Deed Books E - H : 1834 - 1836

Per Tina Rogers Beller Files : ( regarding other JULIANS in Monroe Co. TN in the 1830's )

Shown in the Monroe Co. TN Deed Books E - H, dated 1834 - 1836

( transcriptions by Hayes ) we see following JULIANS listed :

Deed Book H January 1836 - September 1836

Pg. 36 of transcriptions :

Page 33, No. 14 in Deed Book H. :

Deed of Mortgage :

Alfred Thomason

Test : LS. JULIAN

Solomon Stansburry ( X - his mark )

Registered 12 Febry. , 1836.

Monroe Co. TN Deed Books E - H, dated 1834 - 1836

Deed Book H January 1836 - S

NOTE : We see following bio in Bradley Co. TN mentioning an Isham Julian and family :

by Sherry Pollard on Goodspeed Biographies.

"Samuel JULIAN, a well known citizen and planter of the Second District, was born August 28, 1819, in Blount County. He is the fifth of eight children born to Rev. Isham and Elizabeth (PATTERSON) JULIAN, who were of Irish French descent, and natives of Rutherford County, N.C. The father was born January 28, 1785, and married to our subject's mother in 1811 in his native State. He immigrated to Blount County, Tenn., and remained until 1833, when he went to McMinn County, then to Bradley County, in 1848, where he died November 7, 1885, in his ninety-first year. He was an influential and useful minister of the Methodist Episcopal Church. The Julian Chapel, near Chatata was named in honor of him. He was licensed to preach in 1842, ordained deacon in 1846, and elder in 1850. He and his son, George, were licensed and ordained at the same time. Mr. JULIAN was three times married, his son above named performing the ceremony twice. Subject's mother was born in 1792, and died in Bradley County, about 1859. Samuel JULIAN received a good education in Blount and McMinn Counties. He has always been engaged in farming, and with great success. He owns 350 acres of fine land in Bradley County, on Big Chatata Creek. He is a stanch Republican. October 8, 1839, he married Miss Mary B., daughter of James and Mary SMITH, deceased. Mrs. JULIAN was born in South Carolina June 21, 1819. They have no childrne but have raised several orphans. They now have Lula M. (daughter of Samuel D. J. JULIAN, deceased), subject's neice. She was born February 21, 1871. Mr. and Mrs. JULIAN are active and consistent members of the Methodist Episcopal Church."

"Robert P. JULIAN, a well known resident and planter of the First District, was born November 1, 1821, in Blount County, East Tennessee. He is the sixth of seven children born to Rev. Isham and Elizabeth (PATTERSON) JULIAN. They were of French-Irish descent and natives of Rutherford County, N.C. (For lives of parents see sketch of Samuel JULIAN). Robert P. received a good education in McMinn County. His chief occupation has been farming, and he has made live stock raising a specialty. He began comparatively poor, but by economy and industry has secured a fair share of this world's goods. He owns 430 acres of land in the county, some improved property in Cleveland, and a half interest in a large water flouring mill on Chatata Creek. He had the misfortune to lose his right hand by a circular saw in his mill, in 1882. December 24, 1839 he married Miss R. BOND, who was born in McMinn County, April 23, 1823. To their union twelve children were born of whom four sons and six daughters are living. Mr. and Mrs. JULIAN are esteemed members of the Methodist Episcopal Church."

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Per Tina Rogers Beller Files : ( could be ISAAC JULIAN a cousin to both Barbara Julian Murray and her brother Isaac Julian b. 1786 ) .

MONROE COUNTY TENNESSEE

DEED BOOKS A - D

1820- 1834

Deed Book C 1831 - 1833

Page 135, No. 70

Deed of Conveyance

" Isaac Vann of the Cherokee Nation to Thomas Bunch, Hugh Boyd, Armsead Beler and Robert Snead for $2000, 640 acres on Sweetwater Creek, being the reservation by Vann under the Treaty of 1817.

Isaac Vann ( "X" - his mark ) ( SEAL )

Wit : ISAAC JULIAN

PRYOR P. BUNCH

ARCHIBALD WILLIAMS

LEVI A. WILLIAMS

Registered : 12 April, 1833.

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Per Tina Rogers Beller Files :

Others listed in early Monroe Co. TN Deeds by surname of MURRAY/ MURRY/ MOWRY are :

Isaac Murry, Isaac Murray, Issac Murray ( presumed to all be same Isaac Murray or later ones ) and Adam Mowry, David Mowry, and JOHN MOWRY. John Mowry's deed is listed on 19 Oct. 1830 and says :

" Monroe Co. TN Deed Book B " 1824 - 1832

Page 133, No. 78 :

Deed

JOHN MOWRY to William Ragan for $200, 80 acres, E., Hiwassee District, E. half of SW Qtr. of Sec. #30, fractional T #3, R #3 ,

JOHN MOWRY ( Seal )

Wit : James Lillard

John Roper ( X - his mark )

Regst. : 19 Oct. 1830. "

We see just below this deed for JOHN MOWRY is one for ISAAC MURRAY spelling where George Davis had purchased land on Island Creek, adjacent to ISAAC MURRAY.

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Barbara Alexander b. 1778-1781 NC d. Unknown

1830 MONROE Co. TN :

Per 1830 Monroe Co. TN Census:

p. 85 :

Barbara Murray : 001 00110001 ( one male age 10-15; one female age 10-15; one female age 15-20; and one female age 50-60.

( Barbara Murray was apparently a widow );

(BARBARA JULIAN MURRAY at age 50-60 in 1830 Monroe Co. TN Census, would have made Barbara Julian born about 1770-1780. )

( later census data shows she was born closer to 1778 - 1781 ).

per Tina Rogers Beller files : 1830 Monroe County, Tennessee Census shows :

RICHESON JAMES 103101 101001 ( 137 - 84 )

RICHESON JESSE 10001 02001 ( 137 - 85 )

RICHESON JAMES 000100001 0000001 ( 137 - 85 )

RICHESON JOSEPH E. 022001 201101 ( 141 - 106 )

JULIAN ISAAC 0120001 1100101 ( 137 -82 ) ( BROTHER OF BARBARA MURRAY )

MURRAY JAMES 00001 00001 ( 137 - 85 ) ( SON OF BARBARA MURRAY )

MURRAY, BARBARA 001 00110001 ( 137 - 85 ) ( BARBARA JULIAN MURRAY )

ALEXANDER THOMAS 0001001 21201 ( 138 - 86 ) ( 2ND HUSBAND BARBARA MURRAY )

ALEXANDER JAMES H. 00101 000001 ( 139- 96 )

ALEXANDER JOHN 011101 102001 ( 144 - 129 )

ALEXANDER JOSEPH 001000001 00010001 ( 148 - 150 )

Per census data, showing BARBARA MURRAY ALEXANDER, 1830 Monroe Co. TN census, shows her as age 50-60 making her born bet. 1770-1780 but later Missouri census enumerations show her to be born closer to 1778-1781 NC ). - Tina Rogers Beller, Aug. 30, 2004.

per GOODSPEEDS article on WILLIAM C. MURRAY, ( grandson of BARBARA JULIAN/JULIEN MURRAY,) the name of father of JOHN MURRAY (John was also son of BARBARA JULIEN MURRAY ) was listed as WILLIAM ALEXANDER MURRAY, and we know the name of JOHN MURRAY's mother was BARBARA JULIEN MURRAY. No verifications exist for WILLIAM ALEXANDER MURRAY having been the husband of BARBARA JULIEN MURRAY ALEXANDER, the grandmother of WILLIAM C. MURRAY whom this article is written about. Some inaccuracies are known to be in this bio listed below pertaining to the Luttrell/ Luettreal family. As the Julien family listed the husband of Barbara Julien being a JOHN ANDREW MURRAY, more research is needed to determine if he is the father of JOHN MURRAY or if the name listed by the Murray family being husband to Barbara was WILLIAM ALEXANDER MURRAY and the father of JOHN MURRAY. The mother of JOHN MURRAY is BARBARA JULIEN who md. one of these two Murray names, but which one is not yet verified. - Tina Rogers Beller July 02, 2004.

Per census data, the best estimate of when Barbara Julien was born is abt. 1778 - 1781 in Randolph Co. NC to parents Rene Julien and Catherine Allred Madden. :

"History of Hickory, Polk, Cedar, Dade and Barton Counties, Missouri",

Goodspeed Publishing Co., Chicago, IL. 1889, pgs. #832 - #833

(Lawson). Marshall C. MURRAY, a stock-dealer and farmer of Grant Township,

Dade County, Mo., and the son of Judge John and Sarah (Lettreal) MURRAY,

was born in McMinn County, Tenn., in 1831. The parents were natives of

North Carolina, the father born in 1799, and the mother in 1796. They were

married in Tennessee in 1819, and afterward moved to Greene County, Mo.,

being among the first settlers of Southwest Missouri. Mrs. MURRAY died

there in about 1844, and Judge MURRAY in about 1866. He was a farmer and

stock-raiser for many years, and was also judge of the county court of

Greene County, Mo. He served on the frontier in removing the Indians at an

early day. He and wife were members of the Methodist Episcopal

Church. His father, WILLIAM ALEXANDER MURRAY, was born in North Carolina,

and died in Tennessee. He was of French origin, and was a soldier in the

War of 1812. His grandfather was a Frenchman. Mrs. Sarah (Lettreal)

MURRAY was of Scotch-French descent and the daughter of Lewis LETTREAL, who

was a soldier in the Revolutionary War, and died in Tennessee. Marshall C.

MURRAY was the fifth of nine children, six sons and three daughters, and

was reared in Greene County, Mo., from four years of age . . . . ( see full article listed under

notes for WILLIAM C. MURRAY ).

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Per Tina Rogers Beller Files :

Could this yet be another ISAAC MURRAY who was related to Renne Murray and his siblings, including Renne's brother ISAAC JULIAN MURRAY ? :

From the First Section of Collection of :

THOMAS WHITE COLLECTION OF MONROE COUNTY

In an old trunk in the attic of the home of Mr. and Mrs. Earl Black, Vonore, Monroe Co., Tennessee, there has recently come to light a veritable treasury of letters and papers, dating from 1776. Mrs. Black is a descendant of Thomas White, who came to Monroe Co. in the 1820's, and his wife Jane Young White.

"14 Sept 1843; Letter from Isaac Murray, Washington Co., Tenn. to Thomas White, Madisonville; Mrs. Joseph Yong died a short time ago; "Saw John Murray's wife who lives near your brother John White & all are well".

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Per Murray Genealogy sent by another MURRAY Reseracher in 2001:

Barbara Alexander b. 1778-1781 NC d. Unknown

Per 1830 Monroe Co. TN Census:

p. 85 : Barbara Murray : 001 00110001 ( one male age 10-15; one female age 10-15; one female age 15-20; and one female age 50-60.

( Barbara Murray was apparently a widow );

(BARBARA JULIAN MURRAY at age 50-60 in 1830 Monroe Co. TN Census, would have made Barbara Julian born about 1770-1780. )

NOW LOOKING AT OTHER CENSUS DATA FOR BARBARA JULIAN MURRAY ALEXANDER the following is found which suggests Barbara Julian b. bet. 1778-1781 NC :

1850 Greene Co. MO Census Boone TWP shows Barbara Julian Murray now an ALEXANDER :

HH 1178-1178 ALEXANDER, THOMAS age 68 b. NC ( farmer )

" , Barbara age 70 b. NC ( b. abt. 1780 NC per this census data )

1860 Greene Co. MO Census, CASS TWP shows Barbara Julian Murray Alexander :

hh 442-442 ALEXANDER, THOMAS age 79 b. NC ( farmer )

" , Barbara age 82 b. NC ( shown to be b. abt. 1778 NC )

1870 Greene Co. MO Census , CASS TWP for Barbara Julian Murray Alexander shows :

HH 28-30 MURRAY, THOMAS D. age 32 b. TN ( farmer )

" , Jane age 28 b. MO

" , Tilra S. age 4 b. MO

ALEXANDER, BARBARA age 89 b. NC ( Barbara b. abt. 1781 NC )

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1870 Greene Co. MO Census showing household of a Thomas D. Murray with older female in his household, Barbara Julien Murray Alexander age 89 which calculated to her being born in about 1780- 1781. Most believe that Barbara Julien had first husband UNKNOWN MURRAY and he died by about 1830 and later she then married THOMAS ALEXANDER of Monroe Co. TN. - TRB 2004.

nearby household on p. 86 of the 1830 Monroe Co. TN census, was Thomas Alexander 0001001 21201 ( one male age 15-20 ; one male age 40-50; two females under age 5; one female age 5-10; two females age 10-15; and one female age 20-30.

1870 Greene Co. Missouri, Cass TWP, H #28-30, (p. 98 ) ; Thomas D. Murray, 32, TN, farmer; Jane 28, MO; and Tildra S., 4, MO; also in household, Barbara Alexander, 89, NC; ( relationship not stated but possibly she was Thomas's grandmother ) .

( ABOVE DATE OF 1870 GREENE CO. MO CENSUS listing Barbara Alexander ( Julian, Murray ) as age 89 in 1870 would have made her born about 1781 and would have made her the fifth child of the seven listed children for Rene Julian and Catherine Allred Madden Julian. I have chosen to reflect this age in the range shown for Barbaras possible unknown age by listing her birth year between 1770-1781 taking into consideration other listings shown for her as well in the Julian lines. I think the 1870 Greene Co. MO census is a very good indication, however, that Barbara Julian Murray Alexander was born closer to the date of 1781 than to the date of 1770. This would also be in line with another listing showing her father Rene Julian born 1756 instead of the earlier date of 1752. For if he were born in 1756 he would have only been 14 at the birth of a child in 1770, who would have been his first born. Patience Julian b. 1772, is listed being Rene Julians first born on some genealogies.

Also per Jan Lawson in 2003 :

"In looking at the 1870 Cass Twp., Greene Co., MO. census data on Barbara

Alexander (89 f w b. NC). in hh of Thomas D. Murray (hh #29 - #30), I

believe this Thomas D. Murray was Thomas Douglass Murray a son of James

Murray and Jane Long Douglass Murray. James and Jane had son Thomas

Douglass Murray b. 10-27-1836 Monroe Co., TN. d. 9-10-1911 Bois D'Arc,

Greene Co., MO. m. Samantha Jane Bray 3-21-1861 in Grayson Co., TX. This

Thomas on 1880 Greene Co., MO. census listed as Douglass Murray 43 b. TN.

with wife Samantha and sons Alexander and Sam."

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PER THE LOUDON CO. TN WILLS : ( perhaps a descendant of ISAAC JULIAN or one of his brothers who also lived in that region - Tina Rogers Beller Aug. 2003 ).

Wills : Will Book A Pages 400-624 (Part III) LOUDON Co. TN

Name: Solman Julian Written: Aug 11, 1906 Probated: Spouse: Callie Page(s): 527 Children: Rachael Julian, Stella Julian d/o Lillie Julian (daughter) Other Info:

RESEARCH on ALEXANDER, MURRAY, and connecting DAVIS families is ongoing, and this data has been included within our Renne Murray genealogy, as it is a possible clue to further research on Renne Murray who lived in Monroe Co. TN, then moved with his first wife, Anna Elliott to McMinn Co. TN, and later by 1830 is found in Rutherford Co. TN. By 1832 Rany ( RENNE ) Murray and wife Anna Elliott moved to Gibson Co. TN where Anna died bet. 1832- 1834; then Renne Murray is next found listed again as Rany Murray ( as he was in Gibson Co. TN on 1834 Tax List there ) in Monroe Co. TN sometime after 1834 Renne Murray is found listed on 1840 Census of Monroe Co. TN.

John Kelly Murray b July 14, 1829 in Tennessee and died June 10, 1905 was son of John Murray and Sarah Luttree/Luttele:

Barbara Murray Alexander ( BARBARA JULIAN MURRAY, per the bio on her grandson John Kelly Murray b. July 14, 1829 TN which is listed in the GREENE Co. MO history pages of their website, and says the following :

"GREENE CO". MO HISTORY" Pages : Picktorial and Genealogical Record of Greene Co. Missouri together with Bibliographies of Prominent Men of Other Portions of the State, Both Living and Dead ."

JOHN KELLY MURRAY

"Murray township, Greene County, was named for his family, as they were its first settlers and prominent in its affairs. BARBARA ( JULIAN) MURRAY, the paternal grandmother of Mr. Murray, was a great French lady, but had resided in America from early girlhood. She was a niece of the man who built the great London bridge." ( 91-92 )

( IN regard to that last statement of Barbara Julian Murray Alexander being a niece of the man who built the great London Bridge, this historical fact, ( with more research ) might reveal the connection to Barbara Julien Murray Alexander. It is yet unknown if that statement that Barbara Julien Murray was the niece of the man who built the great London Bridge is accurate, so further verifications are needed to connect Barbara Julien to the line of Rennie's who built the London Bridge. " :)

" John Rennie was born in East Linton, Scotland, in 1761. After working as a millwright with Andrew Meikle he studied at Edinburgh University ( 1780-83 ). he was employed by Boulton & Watt for five years but in 1791 he moved to London where he started his own engineering company. over the next few years he became a famous bridge-bulder. This included Leeds Bridge, Southwark Bridge and Waterloo Bridge."

"Rennie was also responsible for designing and building docks at Hull, Liverpool, Greenock and Leith, and improving the harbours and dockyards at Portsmouth, Chatham and Plymouth. Rennie's last project was London Bridge but it was unfinished when he died in 1821. The birdge was completed by his son, John Rennie."

"George Rennie, the son of John Rennie, was born in 1791,. John Rennie was a successful engineer and had been responsible for building Waterloo Bridge and Southwick Bridge in London."

" After the death of John Rennie in 1821, George and his brother JOHN . . . .became partners in the family engineering firm. In 1826 the two Rennie brothers and Charles Vignobles surveyed the Liverpool & Manchester line and were invited by the company to build it. However they refused to work with George Stephenson, who they did not consider was a real engineer, and they lost the contract. Rennie also laid out the route for the London & Brighton Railway but the company decided to give the job of building it to John Rastrick. "

"In 1838 George and John Rennie established a company in London and during the next four years built 16 locomotives. None of these locomotives were very impressive and with trade declining, George turned successfully to marine engineering. George Rennie died in 1866." From article, "John Rennie builder of London Bridge"

Notes for ALEXANDER MURRAY:

ALEXANDER MURRAY or WILLIAM ALEXANDER MURRAY is name the Murray family used for husband of BARBARA JULIAN and I tend to think he may have gone by name of ALEXANDER MURRAY shown below in the HIWASSEE LAND PURCHASE on 21 Nov. 1820 : - Tina Rogers Beller, April 13, 2007.

( JOHN ANDREW MURRAY is name of UNKNOWN MURRAY per the JULIAN family information on Barbara Julian )

However, per Jeff Murrays account of his family oral history of the Murray family, he says this in his letter sent to me by David Jackson including other information by the Julian family members, of their oral history as well :

"Renne Murray born May 25, 1801, a son of ALEXANDER and BARBARY ( JULIAN ) MURRAY. "

" BARBARY was born the same. " (* Barbara Julian born in RANDOLPH CO. NORTH CAROLINA between 1778-1781 ).

" ALEXANDER a son of JAMES MURRAY of VA. "

"JAMES MURRAY's father came from England to PA. in an early day. "

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Name of JAMES MAURY is found in the list of French Huguenots in " The Journey to Mankin Town " along with the names of Benjamin Maury, Catherine Maury, Matthew Maury, Abraham Maury, Richard Maury, Mollie Maury. Our Rene de St. Julian and Isaac St. Julian and Rebecca St. Julian also are listed in same Manakin town list files at same time as the Maury family. Later we see the name of a JAMES MURRAY Esq. listed in Anson Co.NC land Deeds which is land just south of Randolph Co. NC even today, for in 1754 the newly created county of Anson incorporated the later counties of Union, Montgomery, Stanly, Rowan, Richmond, Cabarrus and Mecklenburg Co's NC :

MURRAY, James ESQR. File No. 873 ( 251 ) ; Gr. No. 863; Bk. 10, p. 409 ( 2, 87 )

"400 Acres on a branch of Golden Grove called Beaverdam Creek. . . . . . Silver Ridge 2 Mar. 1754 Matt Rowan. "

Quote in the GOODSPEEDS article of Barbara Julian and William Alexander Murrays grandson Marshall C. Murray in a quote about his father John Murray being a son of William Alexander Murray stated the Murray family is French. . . .