There is a lot of information as each prisoner was given an English trial in Liverpool so it is possible to trace the record to the date of the record. Then I guess the ships manifest but I am not sure if that would be an English record or where the the ship was recorded ( French , Portugal Spain or elsewhere). This is the most complete record I have seen . From what I could find it was more of a way to place free labor into the colonies justifying it though their court system. If you notices the ship Scripto is the one with Collen McKinney. But it isn't the ship he came on to America.

There were many more but a letter from the King halted the deportation. Many of the English history sites give really good information as to the reasons for the deportations and when it was stopped and when they were pardoned.

This is known as the first Jacobite Rebellion. They were loyal to James, the next Jacobite Rebellion was Boney Prince Charles. Just a few years later , that resulted in more deportation. This would also explain the

family matches to Australia as many of the Jacobite were sent there after the second Rebellion.

Garry

Here is some of the information.

Taken from the "National Genealogical Society" Quarterly, March 1976, Vol 64, number 1. By Clifford Neal Smith (594 W. Lincoln Hwy, DeKalb, IL 60115):

TRANSPORTED JACOBITE REBELS, 1716

Among the persons transported to the American colonies in 1716 were 637 Scottish rebels captured at Preston, Lancashire, on 14 Nov 1715. The rebels were supporters of the exiled James II of England and his heirs. There were many such adherents among the Roman Catholics of Scotland, and some in Ireland, and among the Nonjurors, a dissident group within the Church of England.

During the rebellion of 1715 the rebel forces entered Preston on 9 Nov and, after proclaiming as their king the chevalier of St. George, remained there for several days, during which the government forces advanced upon them. The town was assaulted, and on 14 Nov the rebel general Thomas FORSTER surrendered his army to the King's forces. Persons shown below, was compiled from ten ship manifests, were taken prisoner and sent to the American Colonies the following spring as indentured servants for a seven-year period. Those who refused to be voluntarily indentured were forced into that condition upon arrival in the colonies.
According to a receipt given to the commissary general of the rebel prisoners, 639 prisoners were transported, but, for reasons unknown to this writer, only 636 were named in the manifest. An additional prisoner (John DALZYEL) has been identified from other documents.
In the interest of space conservation, ship names and destinations have been coded. It should be noted that not all prisoners reached the destinations originally designated.

ship destination ship
code code

A Va "Anne", Capt Robert WALLACE,
bound for VA from Liverpool 31 July 1716 with 18 prisoners.

Af Bar "Africa". Richard CROPPER, master bound for Barbadoes from Liverpool 15 July 1716 with 1 prisoner.

EA Va/Jam "Elizabeth
and Anne". commander Edward TRAFFORD, bound for VA and Jamaica from Liverpool 28 July 1716 with 126 prisoners (128 prisoners listed in manifest).

F Va/Md "Friendship". Capt Michael MANKIN, bound for MD or VA from Liverpool 24 May 1716 with 80 prisoners.

G Va "Godspeed (or Goodspeed).
Capt Arthur SMITH, bound for VA (but leaving prisoners in MD) from Liverpool 28 July 1716 with 54 prisoners on one manifest and 2 additional on another manifest.

H StC "Hockenhill" Capt Hockenhill SHORT, bound for St. Christophers, Leeward Islands, date not given, with 30 prisoners.

S SC "Susannah" Capt Thomas BROMHALL, bound for SC from Liverpool 7 May 1716 with 101 prisoners listed on the manifest, although receipted for 104.

Sc (?) "Scipio" commander's name and destination not given, from Liverpool 30 March 1716 with 95 prisoners.

2B Jam "Two Brother" Capt Edward RATHBON, bound for Jamaica from Liverpool 26 April 1716 with 47 prisoners.

W SC "Wakefield" Capt Thomas BECK, bound for SC from Liverpool 21 April 1716 with 81 prisoners.



Abbott, Fred (eri)k-- EA, Va/Jam
Abercromby, John-- EA,VA/Jam
Allen James-- F.Md
Anderson, Robert--EA,Va/Jam
Arnott, David--EA,Va/Jam
Asking, Joseph--SC,--
Aughinbeck, Joseph --Sc,--
Ayre, William--F,Md
Ayston, James --EA,Va

Bagby, John --W,SC
Baine, John--W,SC
Ballintine, William--SC,--
Bane, William --F,Md
Barnet, Thomas --W,SC
Barry, Thomas --G,Va
Barry, William--W,SC
Baton, Alen--S,SC
Bean, Duncan--2B, Jam
Beane, Kenedy--H,StC
Begg, Miles--G,Va
Benerman, Mark--H,StC
Betty, Francis--EA,Va/Jam
Blackwood, James --EZ, VA/Jam
Blare, James--SC,--
Bow, James --G,Va
Boyle, Alexander--A,Va
Brenden, John--F,Md
Briggs, Pau.--Sc,--
Brown, John --EA,Va/Jam
Brown, Ninian--G,Va
Browne, John--A,Va
Browne, Mark--A,Va
Bruce, Alexander--EA,Va/Jam
Bruce, James--S,SC
Bruce, Robert--A,Va
Bruce, Robert--EA,Va/Jam
Burch, Richard--G,Va
Burdis, George--Sc,--
Burfick, George--W,SC
Burne, John--EA,Va/Jam
Burne, John--W,SC
Burtton, Joseph--Sc,--

Cameron, Donald--H, StC
Cameron, Donald--S,SC
Cameron, Finlow--F,Md
Cameron, John--G,Va
Cameron, John-- S,SC
Cammel, John-- S,SC
Campbell, Daniel--Sc,--
Campbell, James--Sc,--
Cane, Hugh--EA,Va/Jam
Cannon, John--2B,Jam
Carmell, James 2B,Jam
Carr, Alexander--EA,Va/Jam
Carr, Alexander--EA, Va/Jam
Chalmers, Patrick--A,Va
Chambers, John--G,Va
Chambers, Joseph--S,SC
Charns, Chriso.--EA,Va/Jam
Charters, Lawrence--H,StC
Chisolme, Adam--EA,Va/Jam
Christye, Archibald--H,StC
Clark, Duncan--EA,Va/Jam
Clark, Hugh--S,SC
Clark, James--W,SC
Clark, Thomas--W,SC
Coblin, Robert--EA, Va/Jam
Conahar, John--F,Md
Congleton, James--H,StC
Congleton, James--H,StC
Cooper, Patrick--F,Md
Cornell, George--S,SC
Coute, Joseph--Sc,--
Cowson, William--W,SC
Cowty, David--Sc,--
Cozens, John--S,SC
Crampton, James--C,Va
Craster, William--EA,Va/Jam
Creighton, James--S,SC
Creswell, Robert--H,StC
Crocket, John--S,SC
Croft, David--W,SC
Cummin, Alexander--A,Va
Cummin, Peter--Sc,--
Cummin, Peter--Sc,--
Cummin, William--F,Md
Cunningham, George--W,SC
Currey, James--H, StC

Daie, Andrew--F.Md
Dalgaty, John--F,Md
Dalketty, Alexander--S,SC
Dalmohoy, Thomas--H,St.C
Dalzell, William--S,SC
Dalzyell (or Dalzele), John----,Va/SC
Davidson, Andrew--F,Md
Davidson, Donald--S,SC
Davidson, William--F,Md
Denham, James--F,Md
Derritt, Peter--Sc,--
Dickinson, George--EA,Va/Jam
Disart, George--W/SC
Dixon, James--G,Va
Donaldson, Charles--F,Md
Donaldson, John--EA,Va/Jam
Donaldson, Thomas--F,Md
Donaldson, William--EA,Va/Jam
Dovice, Daniel--Sc,--
Duckter, David--S,SC
Duff, Donald--S,SC
Duff, Thomas--S,SC
Dunbarr, Jerom--F,Md
Dunbarr, John--EA,Va/Jam
Duncan, Alexander--2B,Jam
Duncan, John--Sc,--
Duncan, John--2B,Jam
Duncan, Robert--EA,Va/Jam
Dunlap, James--W,SC
Dunn, William--EA,VA.Jam
Dutt, Alexander--Sc,--

Eggoe, John--S,SC
Eggoe, William--S,SC
Erwinn, Charles--Sc,--

Ferguson, Alexander--EA,Va/Jam
Ferguson, Donald--EA,Va/Jam
Ferguson, Dun (can?)--G,Va
Ferguson, Finlow--W,SC
Ferguson, Frans(is?)--Sc,--
Ferguson, Henry--F.Md
Ferguson, James--EA,Va/Jam
Ferguson, Lawrence--EA,Va/Jam
Ferguson, Patrick--EA,Va/Jam
Ferguson, Peter--2B,Jam
Ferguson, Robert--A,Va
Ferguson, William--G,Va
Fersyth, Ha.--Sc,--
Finlow, William--EA,Va/Jam
Finney, Robert--EA,Va/Jam
Flint, James--W,SC
Forbess, George--S,SC
Forbess, Thomas--F,Md
Foster, Thomas--EA,Va/Jam
Fotheringam, John--S,SC
Fraizer, John--Sc,--
Frazer, Daniel--S,SC
Frazer, Hugh--S,SC
Frazer, John--W,SC
Frazer, William--S,SC

Garner, Patrick--H,StC
Gartey, George--Sc,--
Gill, Henry--S,SC
Glandy, John --F,Md
Glass, John--Sc,--
Gledening, John--EA,Va/Jam
Glessen, John--Sc,--
Gordon, Alexander--F,Md
Graham, David--G,Va
Graham, James--A,Va
Grant, Daniel--G,Va
Grant, Ludo (wick?)--S,SC
Grant, Robert,--EA,Va.Jam
Grant, William--F,Md
Greame, Fergus--EA,Va/Jam
Guild, Thomas--S,SC
Guttry, John--S,SC
Guttry, Robert--W,SC

Hall, William--Sc,--
Hamond, George--S,SC
Handyside, Robert--2B,Jam
Hardwick, William--H,StC
Harris, John--EA,Va/Jam
Hay, John--F,Md
Heard, John--S,SC
Henderson, Charles,--EA,Va/Jam
Henderson, Robert--F,Md
Henderson, William--H,StC
Henderson, William,--W,SC
Hendrick, James-F,Md
Heys, James--H,StC
Hill, James--F,Md
Hodgson, George--G,Va
Holland, Thomas-EA,Va/Jam
Howard, William--Sc,--
Hume, Francis--EA,Va/Jam
Hume, Thomas--G,Va
Hunt, Ed (ward)--Sc,--
Hunter, John--EA,Va/Jam
Hunter, Patrick--F,Md

Innis, James--Af,Bar

Johnson, William--G,Va
Johnston, James--EA,Va/Jam
Johnston, John--EA,Va/Jam
Johnston, Robert--EA,Va/Jam

Kenedy, Mall--W,SC
Kennedy, Daniel--G,Va
Kennedy, John--EA,Va/Jam
Kenneyday, Alexander--2B,Jam
Kenneyday, John--Sc,--
Kenneyday, John--2B,Jam
Kenny, John--G,Va
Kerr, John--EA,Va/Jam
Kerr, John--Sc,--
Kerr, Robert--EA,Va/Jam
Kidd, Alexander--EA,Va/Jam

Lauder, George--EA,Va/Jam
Lawder, David--G,Va
Lawtey, Alexander--H,StC
Lemon, John--S,SC
Lesley, Alexander--S,SC
Lindsey, James--EA,Va/Jam
Lindsey, John--Sc,--
Londey, Charles--Sc,--
Lowe, Abraham--F,Md
Lowe, James--F,Md
Lowry, Thomas--F,Md
Lumsden, Henry--F,Md
Lyon, Philip--W,SC
Lyon, William--EA,Va/Jam

McInlier, Duncan--2B,Jam
McInnis, John--S,SC
McIntire, Hugh--G,VA
McIntosh, Alexander--G,VA
McIntosh, Alexander--H,StC
McIntosh, Alexander--W,SC
McIntosh, Angus--2B,Jam
McIntosh, Donald--W,SC
McIntosh, Donald--W,SC
McIntosh, Donald--W,SC
McIntosh, Dun(can?)--S,SC
McIntosh, Duncan--W,SC
McIntosh, Ewen--S,SC
McIntosh, James--EA,VA/Jam
McIntosh, James--EA,VA/Jam
McIntosh, James--G,VA
McIntosh, James--G,VA
McIntosh, James--S,SC
McIntosh, James--W,SC
McIntosh, John--EA,VA/Jam
McIntosh, John--EA,VA/Jam
McIntosh, John--S,SC
McIntosh, John--S,SC
McIntosh, John--S,SC
McIntosh, John--W,SC
McIntosh, John--W,SC
McIntosh, Lang--SC,--
McIntosh, Loughlin--G,VA
McIntosh, Mail.--SC,--
McIntosh, Thomas--EA,VA/Jam
McIntosh, William--A,VA
McIntosh, William--SC,--
McIntosh, William--S,SC
McIntosh, William--SC,--
McIntosh, William--W,SC
McIntosh, William--W,SC
McIntyre, Denis--2B,Jam
McIntyre, Finlow--G,VA
McIntyre, John--2B,Jam
McKeels, Daniel--S,SC
McKency, William--W,SC
McKenney, Coul.--SC,--
McKenny, Alexander--EA,VA/Jam
McKensy, Thomas--H,StC
McKewan, John--G,VA
McLane, Allen--F,MD
McLane, Peter--SC,--
McLaren, John--S,SC
McLaren, Patrick--S,SC
McLean, Daniel--2B,Jam
McLeane, Alexander--W,SC
McLeane, John--W,SC
McLear, Alexander--2B,Jam
McLearins, Alexander--Sc,--
McLearn, Daniel--SC,--
McLearn, James--G,VA
McLearn, John--SC,--
McLearn, John--SC,--
McLearne, Walter--H,StC
McLoughlan, John--F,MD
McLoughlin, Archibald--EA,VA/Jam
McNabb, Alexander--2B,Jam
McNabb, John--2B,Jam
McNabb, Thomas--F,MD
McNaughton, Dun(can?)--S,SC
McNoughton, Mal.--Ea,VA/Jam
McPherson, Alexander--2B,Jam
McPherson, Alexander--W,SC
McPherson, Angus--S,SC
McPherson, Daniel--SC,--
McPherson, Donald--H, StC
McPherson, Donald--S,SC
McPherson, Donald--S,SC
McPherson, Donald--W,SC
McPherson, Donald--W,SC
McPherson, Duncan--S,SC
McPherson, John--S,SC
McPherson, Owen--EA,VA/Jam
McPherson, Owen--EA,VA/Jam
McPherson, William--G,VA
McQueen, Alexander--F,MD
McQueen, Alexander--W,SC
McQueen, Alexander--W,SC
McQueen, David--F.MD
McQueen, David--W,SC
McQueen, Dugall--F,MD
McQueen, Dun(can?)--W,SC
McQueen, Hector--F,MD
McQueen, John--W,SC
McQuin, Alexander--W,SC
McQuin, Duncan--EA,VA/Jam
McQuin, John--S,SC
McQuinn, James--SC,--
McVane, John--S,SC
McVane, Mall.--S,SC
Malcome, James--EA,VA/Jam
Mallone, James--EA,VA/Jam
Mann, William--F,MD
Martin, William--EA,VA/Jam
Martinson, John--F,MD
Mathewson, John--S,SC
Maxwell, William--EA,VA/Jam
Meldrem, George--SC,--
Menzies, Archibald--EA,VA/Jam
Menzies, Robert--EA,VA/Jam
Mergibanks, George--EA,VA/Jam
Michey, John--EA,VA/Jam
Mitchell, David--EA,VA/Jam
Mitchell, George--W,SC
Mitchell, James--F,MD

Mondell, John--EA,VA/Jam
Montgomery, Nich(olas)--EA,VA/Jam
Moody, George--2B,Jam
Moor, Miles--W,SC
Morrison, James--SC,--
Mortimer, Alexander--F,Md
Moubray, William--F,Md
Mull, David--F,Md
Murray, Henry--F,Md
Murray, Henry--SC,--
Murrey, Alexander--A,VA
Murrey, Alexander--A,VA
Murrey, David--A,VA
Murry, James--EA,VA/Jam
Murry, Patrick--H,StC
Murry, William--H,StC

Neave, Alexander-F,Md
Neilson, George--G,VA
Nevery, James--F,Md
Newton, Jonathan--S,SC
Nicholson, John--Sc--
Nicholson, John--W,SC
Nimmo, James--SC,--
Nisbott, James--EA,VA/Jam
Noble, William--EA,VA/Jam

Ogilby, John--EA,VA/Jam
Ogleby, Henry--H,StC
Oliphant, Law(rence?)--H,StC
Orack, Alexander--G,VA
Oswell, Joseph--SC,--

Park, Thomas--F,Md
Patterson, James--EA,VA/Jam
Petello, James--EA,VA/Jam
Peter, James--EA,VA/Jam
Peter, John--EA,VA/Jam
Peter, John--F,Md
Portius, John--EA,VA/Jam
Potts, Thomas--F,Md
Procter, Joseph--SC,--
Prophet, Silvester--EA/VA/Jam

Ramsey, Andrew--H,StC
Ramsey, John--F,Md
Ramsey, William--H,St.C
Ranken, John--W,SC
Rash, James--W,SC
Ray, James--EA,VA/Jam
Ray, John--S,SC
Reed, Alexander--Sc,-
Reide, Mall--S,SC
Reide, Robert--EA,Va/Jam
Rend, Alexander--F,Md
Renton, James--G,Va
Richardson, John--W,SC
Richardson, Robert--W,SC
Richey, Joseph--Sc,-
Ridley, Alexander--Sc,-
Ridley, John--H,SC
Ridley, John--Sc,-
Robartson, Duncan--2B,Jam
Robartson, James--2B,Jam
Robartson, John--2B,Jam
Robb, James--S,SC
Robb, John--S,SC
Robb, Thomas--S,SC
Robertson, Alexander--Sc,-
Robertson, Daniel--Sc,-
Robertson, Daniel--2B,Jam
Robertson, Donald--F,Md
Robertson, Donald--S,SC
Robertson, Duncan--Sc,-
Robertson, Fran(is?)--Sc,-
Robertson, James--F,Md
Robertson, James--S,SC
Robertson, James--S,SC
Robertson, James--Sc,-
Robertson, John--F,Md
Robertson, John--Sc,--
Robertson, Leonard--F,Md
Robertson, Patrick--F,Md
Robinson, David--S,SC
Robinson, Donald--S,SC
Robinson, Dun (can?)--S,SC
Robinson, James--EA,Va/Jam
Robinson, James--S,SC
Robinson, James--S,SC
Robinson, John--H,StC
Robinson, John--EA,Va/Jam
Robinson, John--S,SC
Robinson, Robert--EA,Va/Jam
Robson, Rowland--G,Va
Ross, Charles--W,SC
Ross, Hugh--Sc,-
Ross, Thomas--S,SC
Rutherford, George--EA,Va/Jam
Rutherford, James--G,Va
Rutherford, John--EA,Va/Jam
Rutherford, John--EA,Va/Jam
Rutter, Thomas--F,Md

Scott, John--2B,Jam
Scott, Walter--Sc,--
Selbie, Thomas--Sc,--
Selkeld, James--Sc,--
Semm, William--F,Md
Serjeant, Henry--S,SC
Setton, Daniel--Sc,--
Shaftoe, John--G,Va
Shaw, Alexander--S,SC
Shaw, Alexander--W,SC
Shaw, Angus--EA,Va/Jam
Shaw, Donald--EA,Va/Jam
Shaw, Donald--S,SC
Shaw, Ewen--S,SC
Shaw, James--F,Md
Shaw, James--G,Va
Shaw, John--EA,Va/Jam
Shaw, John--Sc,--
Shaw, John--W,SC
Shaw, John--S,SC
Shaw, John--W,SC
Shaw, Peter-S,SC
Shaw, Thomas--G,Va
Shaw, William--G,Va
Shaw, William--S,SC
Shields, John--Sc,--
Shonger, Alexander--F,Md
Shonger, John--F,Md
Shorter, Duncan--2B,Jam
Shuttard, Bernard--S,SC
Simpson, James--S,SC
Simpson, see also Sympson
Sinclair, James--G, Va
Sinclair, Patrick--W,SC
Sinclair, William--A,Va
Small, James--F, Md
Smith, Alexander--F,Md
Smith, Alexander--2B,Jam
Smith, Charles--EA, Va/Jam
Smith, Daniel--2B,Jam
Smith, David--S,SC
Smith, Donald--S,SC
Smith, Donald--W,SC
Smith, Patrick--G,Va
Smith, Patrick--S,SC
Smith, Robert--EA, Va/Jam
Smith, Thomas--F,Md
Somerville, James--G,Va
Songster. Amdrew--W,SC
Sotherland, John--Sc,--
Spalding, Alexander--F,Md
Steward, Donald--W,SC
Steward, Walter--H,StC
Stewart, Alexander--EA, Va/Jam
Stewart, Alexander--EA, Va/Jam
Stewart, Alexander--EA, Va/Jam
Stewart, Alexander--S,SC
Stewart, Alexander--Sc,--
Stewart, Charles--Sc,--
Stewart, Daniel--G,Va
Stewart, Daniel--Sc,--
Stewart, Daniel--Sc,--
Stewart, David--F,Md
Stewart, Donald--EA, Va/Jam
Stewart, Dun (can?)--S,SC
Stewart, Duncan--2B, Jam
Stewart, Hugh--S,SC
Stewart, James--EA, Va/Jam
Stewart, John--EA, Va/Jam
Stewart, John--EA, Va/Jam
Stewart, John--EA, Va/Jam
Stewart, John--EA, Va/Jam
Stewart, John--G, Va
Stewart, John--Sc,--
Stewart, John--Sc,--
Stewart, John--Sc,--
Stewart, John--Sc,--
Stewart, John--2B, Jam
Stewart, John--2B, Jam
Stewart, John--2B, Jam
Stewart, Malcome--EA, Va/Jam
Stewart, Neil--S,SC
Stewart, Neil--S,SC
Stewart, Patrick--EA, Va/Jam
Stewart, Patrick--S,SC
Stewart, Robert--EA, Va/Jam
Stewart, Robert--EA, Va/Jam
Stewart, Robert--EA, Va/Jam
Stewart, William--Sc,--
Stroak, William--EA,Va/Jam
Strock, Joseph--Sc--
Stroughan, Charles--W,SC
Stubbs, Robert--F,Md
Swinhoe, James--S,SC
Sword, Humphrey--G,Va
Sword, John--H, StC
Sympson, William--G,Va

Tankard, Walter--EA, Va/Jam
Taylor, James--Sc.--
Tett, Thomas--Sc
Thompson, Daniel--EA, Va/Jam
Thompson, George--F,Md
Thorburn, William--Sc,--
Todd, John--Sc--
Trumball, Mich (ell?)--2B,Jam
Turner, William--EA, Va/Jam

Urquart, James--EA, Va/Jam

Wallis, Robert--2B, Jam
Watson, Petr.--Sc,--
Watson, William--Sc,--
Watson, William--Sc,--
Watt, Alexander--EA, Va/Jam
Wattson, James--EA, Va/Jam
Wattson, James--EA. Va/Jam
Webster, James--F,Md
White, Alexander--EA, Va/Jam
White, Hector--G,Va
White, James--F,Md
White, John--EA, Va/Jam
Wilkie, James--W,SC
Willson, Henry--F,Md
Wilson, James--W,SC
Witherington, Richard--G,Va
Wood, James--EA, Va/Jam
Woofe, William--Sc,--
Wright, William--EA, Va/Jam

Yeoman, Francis--S,SC
Young, Robert--W,SC
Young, William--A,Va
Young, William--Sc,--

From: Deborah Parks <bdvw@earthlink.net>
To: 'Garry McKinney' <gdmanchor@yahoo.com>
Cc: thurmond-hamill@cal.berkeley.edu
Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 9:13 AM
Subject: RE: Bourbon Co KY McKinneys

This is good…I added specific questions below in red.

From: Garry McKinney [mailto:gdmanchor@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 2:22 PM
To: Deborah Parks
Subject: Re: Bourbon Co KY McKinneys

Deb,

I understand, But it is something to check , the immigration records.

We have exactly the same markers. Here is what I know about Lippincott, if he has not told you. He matches no other Lippincotts not even his cousins that he knows. His closest match before was Durham but lacksa support link. Did Lippincott tell you about his White connection? That is the key with Lippincott. Here’s the link http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb1372/is_1_36/ai_n28712933/ The Lippincotts and Whites migrated together from the British Isles. I SUSPECT that our White matches fathered a Lippincott. White is key. Richards Lippincott brother married a White in England in 1660 there is a marriage record.

I know the Lippincotts are in the same area at the same time that Mordecai daughter Ann is (What area and time – please provide) http://distantcousin.com/marriage/nj/1700/1768.html . A Lippincott got married in the same area at the same time (Need marriage details – time, place and who).

Vol. XXII of the Archives of the State of New Jersey page 110

Dunham, Nehemiah / (Hunterdon) / [N/A]
McKinney, Antye / ( ) / [N/A]
NJ /
25-Oct 1768
N/A

Vol. XXII of the Archives of the State of New Jersey page 240

Lippincott, Amaziah / ( ) / [N/A]
Prickett, Hannah / ( ) / [N/A]
NJ /
29-Oct 1768
N/A

Ann McKinney married a gentleman by the name of Dunham. I have not be able to connect him to Durham. Ann is reported as never having any children, and that may be an incorrect record. They were married in NJ in 1736. (oooooooo – here it is New Jersey – this is the White/Lippincott area – do you have the name of the town that Ann McKinney and Durham were married in?)

No for the more direct information. There were 1100 men captured at the battle of Preston in Devonshire England on Nov 15, 1715. They were marched to Liverpool. Where 300 were tried and sentenced to the plantations. Most of these men were Scots all were Jacobite s. The immigration records have to checked very closely, as Colen McKinney was first reported to be a French Huguenot , because he came in on a French ship (this is interesting as my Thurmans lived around a French town known as Manikin Town http://huguenot-manakin.org/ I’ve never seen any reference to them being French but they traveled to KY with a number of families from Manakin Town and then intermarried with them). But further records reported his involvement with the battle of Preston (how did you come across these? What is the source?).

Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s about Colin McKenny

Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s about Colin McKenny

Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s about Colen Mc'kenny

And then as the first ship leaving England was a cargo ship names Scoto. Sailing to Antigua. After two years he was transferred to Woodson Tarlton's Plantation in Henrico County Virginia . Woodson Tarlton, was a member of the same church as Alexander McKinney. (name of church or parish?) I will have to find it , I think it was under Tarlton Information ,

This was noted as Tarlton married his first cousin and Alexander did not consider it should be done. It is in the church record. Besides this Alexander there is a second Alexander that was sent to Maryland and then sent to the plantations. And there is John who was sent there as well.

I think it may be highly possible these men did arrive the same way. Since the Jacobites were almost all related to each other, it may well be the connection.

Garry 　

From: Deborah Parks <bdvw@earthlink.net>
To: 'Garry McKinney' <gdmanchor@yahoo.com>
Cc: thurmond-hamill@cal.berkeley.edu
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 2:35 PM
Subject: RE: Bourbon Co KY McKinneys

Garry –

Sydni sent you a previous email explaining that the families that you match all mutate very quickly. So the FTDNA relatedness chart/table doesn’t apply to us. For example, my father has a known 3^{rd cousin and his dna is “farther” from him than a more distantly related match – like a 6th cousin. Another example would be if you had a brother, your dna might show up with a gd-3 and then a perfect match with a 6th cousin. We just can’t use that as a tool in our case. The paper trail is our Holy Grail.}

Also, I’d like to add that you can count on there being mistakes in the “accepted” book written McKinney genealogies. People who didn’t want to take the time to track the papers made a lot of assumptions prior to dna testing. The McKinney administrator I’m sure is looking for detailed genealogies of all her participants.

I do not know that a descendant of this line, Charles Turman, has been tested. That is why I have copied Sydni. We do have one TURMAN participant I believe and they don’t match any of the Thurman lines. AND I don’t know their lineage – if they connect to this Charles Turman or not.

Regarding non-parental events, that was what I use to think too. And we do have a couple documented. Walthall and Seay are known incidents of non-parental events. But we are looking at something much more unique than a series of non-parental events. I’m following 6 surname projects, Thurman being one of them. With the other 5, I only have one other incidence with another surname match. My husband’s Parks line has “one” match with a Cunningham. Our situation is remarkable in my mind – matches with White, Lippincott, Seay, Talley, Thurman, McKinney, and Durham. More may come. And what all have in common (excepts yours so far) is a paper trail to Hanover Co VA mid 1700s. In my gut, this is telling me that either orphans were all passed out with a Jamestown disaster (illness or massacre) OR the McKinney theory comes in to play. The McKinney history of prisoners of the British civil war being transported to the Virgnia colonies makes sense. Here’s the scenario – all of our lines were members of a Scot community and taken prisoner and sent to the James River plantations. But how could we all be related? If we all descend from the same Scot tribe or community that formed before the time of surnames.

From: Garry McKinney [mailto:gdmanchor@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 12:36 PM
To: Deborah Parks
Subject: Re: Bourbon Co KY McKinneys

Deb,

There are names on the record are names that match McKinney names that show up in Southern Indiana basically the same age. Also , Botetourt County Virginia at this time included almost all of Kentucky. Before that it was All Washington County Virgina. Also it is getting back to correct ages for possible connections.

Since the DNA has been done on the family tree I will just file the record. I am using a simple format to do selection of point in time.

I was born in 1956 . Since the family generations by FTDNA does not look at the family tree but only time frames for mutation. Using the 67 marker matches of Durham and Lippincott the 50 percent chance level marker matches using a 22 year generation pattern the time for the family connection the year would be in the neighborhood of 1740 - 1770 . Collin being born in 1795 would put a 50/50 connection to Collins father. For the next closest match using the same formula the two matches (Walthall and Durham ) at 61 markers puts the time frame around 1648 . So I am basically searching all the Thurman Durhams, Talley McKinney in that 100 year section I can find information on. Using of course the simplest of format right now , family tree information.

The McKinney family tree information is almost worthless as 98 percent claim a single family, there might be a connection but nothing is sticking out. But knowing there is a possibility of 50 percent chance of a common relative in this period at least there are some records. Best chance is finding a young widow that had children that may have accepted a family name from a step father.

Garry

From: Deborah Parks <bdvw@earthlink.net>
To: 'Garry McKinney' <gdmanchor@yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 12:58 PM
Subject: RE: Bourbon Co KY McKinneys

Garry – do you have any thoughts on this Charles Turman?

From: Garry McKinney [mailto:gdmanchor@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 10:02 AM
To: Deborah Parks
Subject: Re: Bourbon Co KY McKinneys

Deborah

Can you tell me more about this? As to what happened to Frances ?

Benjamin
Turman's will: Wife, Frances; sons, Charles, George and John;
daughters, Elizabeth, Mary and Anne, Frances; sons, James and
Ignasius, Benj. and William. Proved in Botetourt, October, 1784.

Garry

From: Deborah Parks <bdvw@earthlink.net>
To: Garry McKinney <gdmanchor@yahoo.com>
Cc: thurmond-hamill@cal.berkeley.edu
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 10:42 PM
Subject: Bourbon Co KY McKinneys

Hi Garry

While looking through the Indiana Land Grants, I came across the one for Alexander McKinney of Bourbon County KY who bought land in what was then, Washington Co Indiana, 1815. So, I thought I’d look into the Bourbon Co KY McKinneys for fun. Bourbon County KY reminded me that Sydni had come across a KY land grant for John and David McKinney of Bourbon Co KY (also attached). And finally, I have also attached a pdf which lists some primary documents on file at Western Kentucky University about John McKinney of Bourbon Co KY. Do you have any reason to suspect that you may be connected to this group of McKinneys from Bourbon Co KY? Alexander McKinney bought a lot of land in Indiana both in Washington and Harrison Counties.

What I’m asking you here is if you think there is ANY possibility that your Collin McKinney was related in any way to this Bourbon Co KY group.