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Email from Faye (1)

Faye expresses interest in the Robert White Sr family
and see similarities between our the two...

Hi Mike,

I am very interested in your family. Our earliest descendant that we have found is Vincent/Vinson White b. 1760 NC. IF (we have not proven the earlier census info yet) the records we have found are truly our Vincent, he could be one of Roberts earlier children.

We have a high naming repetition with your family. Also, we believe the William & Robert White that we found with your Stephen White (and a Tillman White) in 1838 in Houston Co, Rep of Tx are ours. The key to this is a Nimrod Britt is with them and that was their sister's son. Also, Stephen is on a Bounty & Donation land document as are a couple of Robert & William Whites so it appears that they may have been awarded land for services rendered in Texas' fight for independance.

As of interest, Elias that lived in Bowie Co...that was Miller Co AR before 1836. It is the county to the western border of Lafayette Co, AR, which is where our 90 yr old Vincent, along with his sons Robert & William and his daughter Loutilda White Britt's families ares found in 1850. We believe they arrived there shortly after the 1840 census. Nimrod's brother, Sampson, was evidently in TX too even though we have not found him on a tax list, as his first child was born in TX in 1838.

Right now, we are looking at any records that have a Vinson/Vincent White. The first such record is the will in 1698 Albemarle Co NC (which no longer exists) of a Robert White naming two sons, Robert & Vincent.

The next place we are looking is Currituck Co, NC (which came from the old Albemarle Co, NC) from about 1715 thru at least the early 1825 to 1830. There is Vinson/White shown as early as 1755 on tax lists and in his father Luke White's will (Luke's father was a William White). There is also a Robert White who is introduced into legal records, after 1755 but I don't know which family (if any of them) he belongs to, yet.

We have found a Vinson White in 1790 in Cravens Co, NC...and he is single at age 30.

In 1800, there is a Vinson/Vincent White on the Edgefield Co, SC census. He is married with two daughters under the age of 5. His daughter Loutilda/Lutilda was born in 1796. The other daughter is believed to be named Sarah but we don't know that for sure. Edgefield is GA's northern neighbor.

On the 1813 Putnam Co, GA tax list, we once again have found our Vincent (confirmed by his daughter Loutilda's marriage in 1812 at age 14, to John Britt). In addition to Vincent, there is a Stephen White shown in Capt. William Devine's Dist on this tax list. There is also a Robert, Daniel, John, Joseph, Jesse & Micajah White.

1820 Putnam Co census (our Vincent is now in Hall Co, GA) there are a Daniel, Dudley (this name is a surname married into the White family in Currituck Co, NC), David, John, Micajah, Jesse and Levi White...but Stephen is gone.

We believe we have found our Vincent in 1830 in Bibb Co, AL.

Here is the link for the 1835 to 1846 Listing of those that served Texas' independence fight. Stephen White is included on this one.

http://www.mindspring.com/~dmaxey/rep_b&d.htm

Stephen & a Tillman (Stephen's son?) White are shown on the 1838 Houston Co, TX tax listing. There is also a Levi White shown on this list and in Houston Co, Rep of TX in 1838

I would like to have permission to access your site and would be happy to forward you our family information, as we know/think it is to see if you think we might be from an earlier child of Robert Sr's. According to our Vincent's 1850 census information, he was b. 1760 in NC.

Look forward to hearing from you.

Faye

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Faye expresses interest in the Robert White Sr family
and see similarities between our the two...

Hi Mike,

Thank you so much for the access to your site! Call it instinct but I feel somehow, our two families are related. There is a lot of name repetition, even down to the name Newton.

As for Vincent, we have quite a bit of "research" options but only two "confirmed" sightings of our Vincent. We know that the Vincent White in Putnam Co, GA is our Vincent because his daughter, Lutilda/Loutilda White (shown as "Matilda" on marriage records) married there, in 1812 (at age 14) to John Britt. John and Vincent both are on the 1813 Tax List....as is a Stephen White and other Whites, including a Robert White. By 1820, there is a Levi White there too.

We believe that the Hall Co GA Vincent White (the Rev War soldier) is ours even though I have seen postings of family trees and on message boards claiming him. What makes us so sure he is ours is that his daughter's sons (all born about the same time as Vincent's younger children including his son, William which is my line) are listed with our Whites in the Hall Co GA Poor School. With names like Nimrod & Sampson...it's pretty easy to tell which White is ours!

We believe the Robert & William White in Houston Co, Rep of TX in 1838 are ours too as Nimrod Britt is shown on the same tax list. These families seemed to have traveled together quite a bit. Sampson Britt's first daughter was b. 1838 in TX and one of Robert White's children was b. in TX in 1841. Our William is the last to drop off the tax list and we believe (based on birth yrs of their children) that the White/Britt boys all went to Lafayette Co, AR in the early 1840's.

We think that the Vincent White shown on the 1830 Bibb Co, AL census is ours too and believe that the Vinson/Vincent White in Edgefield Co, SC in 1800 is also ours. When you combine that census and what we know from the poor school records, it equals the family shown in Bibb Co. Vincent's son, William married a Jennette Hester...there is one Hester family in Bibb Co and he has one daughter in the right age range to be Jennette. So far, we have not found the White or Britt family on an 1840 census...suggesting maybe they were all in the Republic of TX...especially given two grandchildren were born in TX at the appropriate time.

It just seems everytime we find Vincent...one of your possible family members appears to be close by! lol On the 1830 Bibb Co census, there is a Thomas, William, Andrew & a Nancy White, whose son SAMUEL is living next door to her. The William White is too old for my William as he was born in 1815 and would only be 15.

I am attaching a Word doc (my sister keeps everything in Legacy) but I tend to be a more "hands on" researcher...don't like having to flip through pages when I can arrange everything in year/state order. I realize one person's "organization" is often a "mess" to another, so if you have any questions...don't hesitate to ask!

My "organization" includes making my margins narrower so if you can't "fix" your copy or view the print on the outside edges let me know...I will fix and resend to you. The first section is the descendancy chart...it's done in descendancy chart format but includes all the information, not just dates (these are going in books, IF I ever get them all finished, for my daughters). I color code the generations...not all are numbered yet, but they are "colored" lol ....I will change this to all black before putting in my girls books, but for the time being, this works well for me to keep the generations straight. These are still "under construction" so aren't perfect by far!

After the descendancy chart, are all our research notes...both proven and unproven. It starts with a Will of a Robert White in 1698 in Currituck Co, NC...listing sons Vinson and ROBERT. When you get to 1838, you will see your Stephen & Tillman in these notes...I got my info from your site! lol

While it is not all proven yet, we feel pretty comfortable with all the info we have, so far, from 1800 to present. What I find interesting is that some researchers suggest the Whites in the SC area where we found Vincent...may have come from VA, not NC...see what I mean about your line maybe being connected?

When I reference "we", I am including my twin sister and another researcher (Donnie) who descends from a different daughter of William's son, William Vincent White. When you get to William Vincent's family...don't get confused with all the White names...He married a woman who's surname was also White...so far, we don't think they were related as her father, Robert White, was born in TN but, at this point, who knows! You may also see little notes on the descendancy section but they usually pertain to the person where the note is found.

I am not positive, but I would swear (going by memory now) that I found a Stephen or Tillman White (think it was a Tillman) on the Hill Co, TX census in 1880....which is where my William Vincent ended up. You might want to double check Hill Co, TX from 1880 forward, as it may be one of yours.

Again, thanks for sharing your info, Mike and if I find anything that looks like a "connection" I will be sure to let you know.

Faye

PS If the Currituck Co, NC Whites are of interest, that county has a great site and I have Word docs on their deeds and Wills...I made an attempt to put them in year order, which might be helpful. The Vinson shown in the 1755 Will of Luke White, shows up in the deeds as late as 1825 (as does a Robert), so most likely it would be a son of theirs, if we are related in anyway.

Genforum Posting (663) from Faye (3)
Update on Family lineage
4/1/2007

Hello Mike,

We've spoken via email since these posts and I wanted to update you on my White line as we know MUCH more about it, now.

My Vincent White was b. 1767 Craven Co, NC according to his 1851 Rev War Pension Application (in Lafayette Co, AR). He was on the 1790 Craven Co, NC census, then Edgefield Co, SC's in 1800. We have nothing on 1810 but the last record of him in Edgefield Co, SC was in 1806.

He appears to have possibly lived, briefly, in Hancock Co, GA but was in Putnam Co, GA by 1812 as his daughter, Lutilda (shown as Matilda on marriage info) married John Britt. He appears on the 1813 Putnam Co, GA. He was in Hall Co, GA by the 1820 census, drew land on the 1827 GA Land Lottery and was in Bibb Co, AL on the 1830 census. There are two land patents in AL that his name is listed on. One in his name, only, and a second one in the name of "Ailsay & Vincent White". I've not found any info on Ailsay, but these patents were in Pickens & Sumter Co's.

What you may not already know is that there was a Durant H White shown as being in Lafayette Co, AR in the late 1830's however, if you check the Bowie Co, TX genweb site, you will find him listed on the Original land owners list, along with a William and John White (Vincent had sons named William b. 1815 GA my line and John b. 1811 GA). What created the confusion was that Bowie Co, TX was once the OLD Miller Co, AR. After a dispute over international boundaries was settled between the US and Spanish TX, the old Miller Co AR county became Bowie Co, TX. Some land records for Bowie Co, between 1820-1836 are in Lafayette Co, AR. We have no census info on any our White's for 1840.

Once we knew that Vincent was b. 1767 in Craven Co, NC we started to look at the White families there. While the group we've looked at appears to have come from MD, it's possible that this group may have been in VA before NC. What we do know is that NO White's are listed in Craven Co, NC in 1810...I believe they all may have gone to SC and/or GA and then some returned to NC.

Of particular interest to me, at the moment, is the line of Whichcote White b. MD and his first wife, Mary Griffith, as I believe he is likely my Vincent's dad. Whichcote SR's brothers, Benjamin b. abt 1740 MD and Samuel were also there. They are found on the NC Taxpayer's list in 1769. That said, there was also a Robert White there (very early) but I can not find anything on him or his line, just as there is little on Whichcote White Sr's line, other than the children mentioned in an 1824 deed...all of whom appear to be the children of his and his second wife, Nancy.

I know that I might be grasping at straws, but given that three of Samuel White SR's sons (Whichcote, Benjamin & Samuel Jr) appear to have been born in the 1740's, the thought has occurred to me, that your Robert could be related to this line, as well.

I realize the migration of the settlers often throw them together even though they are not related, however, it strikes me as ironic that when I find one of my Whites, I usually come across one of yours, either in the same county or nearby. :-)).

Faye

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Theory from Faye Reynolds (4)

Evidence that may help connect the
Family of Vincent White to that of our
Robert White Sr (1743-1843)
8/29/2008

Robert White b. prob 1690-1710 VA? m. poss a Rebecca who may have married a Chance aft Robt's death

Known children (per 1760 deed)

Unkown Dau (poss Hannah) b. 1730-40? m. to John Tuten

(John Tuten's 1775 will names wife as Hannah) sons,

Shadrack, William & Zachariah Tuten

Robert White b. 1730-40's? Yours?

John White b. 1730-40's m. Agnes (mnu)

Children per Agnes' Estate records:

Nancy White m. ? (m. 10/1/1796 Craven Co to James

Taylor)

1803 Depositions on estate of Agnes White shows Nancy TAYLOR, wife of James TAYLOR says that "when her brother Winsor [?-illegible] left the state [phooey-doesn't say the date] she believes that her sister Elizabeth was 18 years old the next spring." This was given in 1803/4 file.

NOTE: If Elizabeth turned 18 after Vincent left the state that would be about 1794-95 (shortly after his mother died) and that would explain him being on the 1800 Edgefield Co, SC census….and his daughter Lutilda being b. 1795-96 SC

Ferebe White m. bef 1790, Samuel Deloach (Agnes' will)

family trees for a Samuel Deloach in EDGEFIELD

Co, SC show a wife as a Ferebe Burton and a first

child born 1788 in Edgefield Co, SC. John & Agnes's

daughter, Ferebe, was married bef 1790, as she was not

in Agnes' 1790 census household. Burton could be a

first married name or an error on the family trees.

Frances "Fanny" White No info on

VINCENT White b. 1767 Craven Co, NC

While we have one unknown son (unless there were

other kids b. bet 1800-1820 (we have no census info

for that 20 yr period) named his sons, in this order:

Robert (after his grandfather?)

John (after his father?)

William (aft brother or another son of Robert SR?)

Elizabeth White may have m. John Criekman (aka

Creekman, Creekmore) as there is a marriage record

for an Elizabeth White, abt 1793, but by 1800

census, John is alone w/one daughter, not in Craven

Co in 1810, but back w/new wife & more children

on 1820 Craven Co, NC census

Robert White b. 1775-1790 (under 16 in 1790)

Possibly the Robert White who said to have been in

SC in the early 1800's, then moved to KY, supposedly

leaving a wife & children behind in SC & he remarried

in (Breathitt Co) KY in early 1820's or so

NOTE: Deeds involving Robert SR in Craven Co, NC were witnessed by:

William White....possible older son or nephew or maybe a brother of Robert White SR?? Witnessed 1760 deed of Robert SR to his children, along with a Robert White who was probably his son, Robert JR

Samuel White....possible older son or nephew or maybe a brother of Robert White SR? Witnessed the 1764 sale of the property that Robert SR gave John & Agnes White

From Sarah (research who lives in NC):

John WHITE and Agnice, his wife, sold to Jeremiah PRITCHARD land that John received from his father, Robert WHITE, 6 March, 1760 Wit: Robert White (Jr?) and William White (Craven deed bk 2, p 86)

Land was sold to PRITCHARD on 3 December 1764 (Craven deed bk 2, p 456-7) Wit: Robt WHITE (Jr?), John TUTLE (son in law, John TUTEN?) or TULLE and Samuel WHITE

This is NOT Samuel White brother to Whichcote & Benjamin White, from MD (all sons of Samuel SR who died in MD). Records show they did not arrive until about 1769 however, I believe this Samuel is the Samuel White shown as "son in law" and co-executor of Melcher Rhem SR's 1769 will in Craven Co, NC with Melcher's son, Jacob. The MD Samuel White was married to a Morris, not a Rhem.

Taken from folder #322.60 in the Elizabeth Moore file: HISTORICAL GLEANINGS by Elizabeth Moore - PETTIONS TO BUILD MILLS

June 8, 1772: Pursuant to annexed order, WILLIAM ISLER, HARDY BRYAN, JACOB RHEM, and SAMUEL WHITE appeared before me, one of the Justices of the Peace for Craven County, and did value the acre of land mentioned in said order to be worth 25 shillings proclamation money, land for EDWARDS’ MILL.

There are NO records for John & Agnes White, in Craven Co, after the 1764 deed of sale to Pritchard. The 1783 will for the John White whose mother was Rebecca Chance & disposed of his estate is not proven to be our John White.

My Vincent White's Rev War pension application (he enlisted in the 5th NC Continental line at age 12, in 1779 and was discharged 4 yrs later at age 16), states he was "living on the Yadkin River, in Guilford Co, NC" when he enlisted in the 5th NC Continental Line.

The 5th NC Continental Line was made up of men from the following:

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ncbertie/census.htm

HILLSBOROUGH District: (Caswell, Chatham, Granville, Orange, Randolph and Wake)

NEW BERN District: (Beaufort, Carteret, Craven, Dobbs, Hyde, Johnston, Jones, Pitt and Wayne)

SALISBURY District (Created in 1782 and then after 1782.: Anson, Guilford, Mecklenburg, Montgomery, Richmond, Rowan and Surry)

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ncbertie/revregiments.htm

5^th NC Regt

26 Mar 1776

Wilmington

8 companies from

Newbern

Edenton

Hillsborough

Col. John A. Lillington

By the way, should either of you need it, there are a ton of transcribed Rev War pension applications (incl my Vincent's) on this website:

http://southerncampaign.org/pen/#m

Early Craven Co, NC records:

1744 Will of George White wife, Frances, sons: George & Luke, daus Sarah & Persilla

1759 Will of Joseph White

There was also a very early deed for another White (can't remember his given name, right now) that was from Accomack Co, VA. I've not checked to see where, in VA, that is, yet.

I have a bit more info, but am trying to get ready to leave to go to Austin, today, and won't be back for about 2 1/2 weeks (hopefully, missing out on all the fun Gustav has planned for the Gulf Coast :-)) but I wanted to send this to y'all....especially Mike, since he has such a large collection of info on White's in the South.

Have a great Labor Day!

Faye