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White Surname DNA Project - Y-DNA SNP VA Maps in common with our DNA matches
My DNA Matches & the Common Area of Virginia their Ancestors once Lived
Y-DNA Connection to John White Sr 1695-1758 - Hanover Co VA - "Partial but Not a direct connection"
However, our White DNA appears to be in this area of New Kent, Louisa, & Hanover Co VA, the latter two
were once part of the massive county of New Kent.
   

Strangely (or coincidently), John Sr's daughter Tillah White is connected to
our John Willis White, son of Robert White Jr, via the King lineage of
his wife Mary Cooper-King White. Click to Read

Robert White Sr Descendant DNA Y-Chromosome Test

Last Updated: Oct 17, 2021

Male Y-DNA Test reveals Robert White is 99% European

This White Lineage is of ancient Celtic Origin (British Celtic)

Western Europe DNA English, Wales, and Scotland = 42%, Ireland = 31%, Scandinavia = 12%

Central Europe DNA  = 10%,  Eastern Europe DNA = East Slavic = 4%

Y-DNA Map and Blood Percentages

"To Date, Mike White is currently, the only descendent male of
Robert White's lineage to have taken the Y-DNA test,
at FamilyTreeDNA.com"

"All Test are now completed, if you are a DNA match or close family
member, I will share my technical results on request, email me."

Descendant of:     Robert White Sr. 1743-1843
Subject Tested:
    Michael White
Purpose:
                Compare with others, tested, White families or Surnames, in hopes of advancing our family research.
Type DNA Test:
   Male 12 to 111 marker,  'Y' Chromosome, direct male White lineage only (male lineage to Robert White Sr)
                                this will show 12/25/37/67/111 - DNA Marker matches. 
Testing org: 
        FamilyTreeDNA.com

Note:                    I have also completed the Deep Clad test, Full MT on mothers side, Big Y Test Male side, the new Big 700 Test.

Contact me:
  mike3113@hotmail.com


Below are my Y Chromosome Test Results and Matches

If you decide to be tested, best to do the 12, 25, 37 markers, 67 & 111 Perfect!
& Now the New Big-Y Test for males, new generation DNA Testing

Click a Name with take you to a Password Page - email me for that password
I will be glad to share my personal results with only family and dna connections.

 HaploGroup
New - Y-DNA = PF6653
Old - Y-DNA = r1b1a2
a1a1b3


(Migration Group Path > Africa > Asia > Europe)

 

32 Perfect Matches  - Y-DNA 12 Marker Results

Dr  Therman Lavon Talley (Micajah) 0
Dr Donald James See  
  Dawson   Henderson  
  Charles Wayne Durham   0
  Mr Brian   Dabbs   00
  Mr Garry D McKinney   0
deceased James Tazewell Talley   emailed me     0
emailed me Dr Duane Edward Carter   00
emailed me Rev Arthur   Talley Jr. 0
emailed me Stephen T. WHITE   0
Rev. Frederick M. Sorrell   0
emailed me James Andrew Lippincott   0
emailed me Sheila (White)  Bittinger 0
emailed me Benjamin K. Talley   0
  Wayne Allen Garrison   0
emailed me Roy   White   0
emailed me David Reed Seay   0
Mr. Euler   Ferrer Jr. 0
emailed me Stanley Merritt Walthall   0
  Juan Carlos Fernandez-Sarda 0
Mr. Kenneth R. White   0
  Larry Joe Talley   0
emailed me Noel Keith White   0
  Kenneth Irwin Durham   0
wait reply Patrick Scott Durham   00
emailed me Harold Van Berg Thurman   0
Rev. Willis Cliffurd Thurman   0

12 Marker - Genetic Distance 1

  Mr Gene A Talley   1
  Robert R. Talley   1
  David Glenn Talley   1
  Steven Craig Tally   1
 

24 Matches - Y-DNA 25 Marker Results
Genetic Distances 1 / 2

PREFIX FIRST NAME MIDDLE NAME LAST NAME SUFFIX MUTATIONS
25 Marker - Genetic Distance 1
emailed me Noel Keith White   1
Dr  Therman Lavon Talley (Micajah) 1
  Dawson   Henderson   1    
deceased James Tazewell Talley   1... 
emailed me Rev Arthur   Talley Jr. 1
emailed me Stephen T. WHITE   1
Rev. Frederick M. Sorrell   1
Mr. John   Thurman   1
emailed me Sheila (White)  Bittinger 1
emailed me Benjamin K. Talley   1
  Barb L. Durham (smith) 1
wait reply Patrick Scott Durham   1...
emailed me Stanley Merritt Walthall   1
emailed me Harold Van Berg Thurman   1
Rev. Willis Cliffurd Thurman   1
  Larry Joe Talley   1

25 Marker - Genetic Distance 2

Mr Edward   Neal   2
  Les   Talley   2
  Chalres Wayne Durham   2
  Mr Gene A Talley   2
  Mr Garry D McKinney   2
  James Andrew Lippincott   2
emailed me David Reed Seay   2
GEDCOM Steven Craig Tally   2
 

20 Matches - Y-DNA 37 Marker Results

PREFIX FIRST NAME MIDDLE NAME LAST NAME SUFFIX MUTATIONS
37 Marker - Genetic Distance 2
emailed me Rev Arthur   Talley         Jr. 22
emailed me Sheila   (white) Bittinger 2

37 Marker - Genetic Distance 3

  Les   Talley   3
Dr  Therman Lavon Talley (Micajah) 3
emailed me Benjamin K. Talley   3
emailed me Stanley Merritt Walthall   3
emailed me Harold Van Berg Thurman   3
  Larry Joe Talley   3
37 Marker - Genetic Distance 4
  Dawson   Henderson    4   
           
  Mr Gene A Talley   40
deceased James Tazewell Talley   4   
emailed me Stephen T. WHITE    4
Mr. John   Thurman   4
  Barb L. Durham (smith) 4
wait reply Patrick Scott Durham   04..
emailed me David Reed Seay   4
Rev. Willis Cliffurd Thurman   4
GEDCOM Steven Craig Tally   4
  John   Thurman   4
GEDCOM Carlos R Talley   4
 

15 Matches - Y-DNA 67 Marker Results

PREFIX FIRST NAME MIDDLE NAME LAST NAME SUFFIX MUTATIONS
emailed me Sheila   (white) Bittinger 2
67 Marker - Genetic Distance 3
  Les   Talley   3
emailed me Benjamin K. Talley   3
emailed me Stanley Merritt Walthall   3

67 Marker - Genetic Distance 4

  Dawson   Henderson   4    
  Mr Gene A Talley   4...
deceased James Tazewell Talley   4...
wait reply Patrick Scott Durham   04...
emailed me David Reed Seay   4
GEDCOM Steven Craig Tally   4
  Larry Joe Talley   4
67 Marker - Genetic Distance 5
emailed me Harold Van Berg Thurman   5
emailed me Stephen T. WHITE   55

67 Marker - Genetic Distance 6

  Barb L Durham   6

67 Marker - Genetic Distance 7

  Edward Neal Durham   7
 

New Test Y67 upgrade to Y111

4 Matches - Y- DNA 67 Marker to Y-111 Marker Results

PREFIX FIRST NAME MIDDLE NAME LAST NAME SUFFIX MUTATIONS

111 Marker - Genetic Distance 3

emailed me Sheila   (white) Bittinger 3
         

111 Marker - Genetic Distance 7

  Mr Gene A Talley  7
         

111 Marker - Genetic Distance 8

GEDCOM Steven Craig Talley 8
         

111 Marker - Genetic Distance 9

deceased James Tazewell Talley   9
           
           
           
           
 
Big - Y

2015 - 2016

I have also taken the new generation of Male Y-DNA Test,
called the Big-Y Test, which focuses on SNP's. which hopefully,
gets us closer results with our DNA connections.

However, this test is expensive.  In the future, as more males
take this test, it may produce better and closer results.

Big- 700

2019

No Results yet

 

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Article: Bowie County Texas Talley's

These Talley's I accidently came across in Maud Bowie County Texas
are related to the White's via the above DNA results and to Group #4
that Ben Talley tested for...

Our White Family from South Caroline, migrated to Bowie County TX
in 1846, the Talley had also been there from the 1860's.

Anyway, posted the article here to keep track of matters as it may
become significant later...  Click the Article LINK above to read the story.

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Question and Comments as to Why and how can we match with male Y-Chrom markers of Non-White Surnames?

Just Thoughts


(Seay, Durham, Sorrell, Smith, Talley, Thurman)

1.  The Method of Testing?

2.  A Name change? but why all the different surnames?

3.  Were we part of a CLAN in the motherland with a
      dominant male who had breeding rights? (DEB)

4.  Illegitimate Child?  again, why all of the surnames?

5.  Adopted or cared for because of a parental loss?
      again, why all the surname matches?  A Tragedy,
      and the sons were dispersed, to other families? (DEB)

6.  Theory of Convergence, ie, 2 different surnames
      DNA, over many years, start to match each other...

Note: (Dec 2013)
The new Big Y Test for males, holds promise to make
Y-DNA testing more accurate, testing SNP's which
mutate less often over time than STR's. The Big Y
is the next generation of Y-DNA testing.           


Notes from Deborah Parks:

Suggested by Deborah Parks, makes more since than the rest, disease in early times, here and abroad, caused most deaths, Deb, brings to light as an example, James Town VA, where 3 out of 4 people died of disease, and their children dispersed to families, who may have lost children, if not all of their children to illness.

These Surnames listed have one thing in common, Hanover VA, and probably, surrounding counties, that sprang after the dividing of a larger county, such as New Kent county, from which Hanover was born...

Now, what does this mean?  "Birds of a feather flock Together", they all migrated from the Motherland together or at different intervals? had at one time been related via a Clan? The dominant male theory?

Other suggestions welcome...

mike3113@hotmail.com


Notes from Robert Talley:
 
     A lady named Gerry Hunt is researching the White-Talley relationship. One thing that I noticed was the Hanover, Virginia census for 1810 listing Barrot(sp) White neighbor to a Talley, Gerry's ancestor had White as middle name.
     My DNA finding places my family in the Line of William Pettypool. The Talley's and Pettypools were associated from at least 1710-1830's.
     Another thought on the diversity of surnames in a DNA group is the concept of the timeline of surname origin. This time is estimated at 1100. The crusades spread "families" over a broader area and I imagine this might be a factor in DNA-surname misalignment.
     Lastly, the fragility of marriage as sacred may be a factor in groups of people in community whose relationships are not predictable.
     Bert Talley
Suggested reading on the Talley/Thurmond lineage:

Have you read Dwight Talley's history (of his Talley line?

     I believe he touches on the surname change from Talley to Thurmond; that it was done in the 20's.

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The one common factor with our DNA Matches is the
New Kent and Hanover Co VA - below are County
Formation Maps, by Year they were formed

Interactive Map Web Site for Virginia:
http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/countyformations/virginiaformationmaps.html

 

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