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Hanover County Virginia
Last Updated: May 25, 2019

"""NOTE: You can scroll down but suggest using the LINKS below as some material is on other Webpages"""

Index of Records
2 Very Large 1770 Virginia Maps of our Area of Interest - Provided by Fred Sorrell
White Surname - Documentation below Organized into a Proposed Structure based on known Documents - by Laurel Durham
A Brief History White Family History - Hanover Co VA Map Chickahominy River Watershed - Hanover
A Robert White - Hanover Document 1784 Ct Doc Robert White Hanover Co VA Various Family Records - Hanover Co VA
Hanover & New Kent Records Samuel White Blacksmith Hanover Co VA - 1744
"Mr. John White Jr Family - Hanover Co VA"" John White Jr - Orphan's Robt"
John White Jr's  wife 'K'atherine - Release Dower 1745 Mr John White Jr's dau. "Tillah" short Family Tree John White Jr with John Dennits/Dennis? Land Rcd
1785 Indenture- James White New Kent Co  James White Chancery Case & Will 1812 - Henrico Wm White of Louisa / Hanover Co - father of Elisha
"1771 Indent. witnessed by 3 White's - Hanover" ------  "1771 Indenture by Anthony Winston"
1769 Indenture lands adjacent to Barret White Ref Owner White's Mill - Wm White - 1835 Ct Doc
Plat Map Hanover & New Kent Counties Dibdul Talley - Old Church & Mill Reference Trueheart court deposit. regarding White Mill
Winston court deposition on White Mill Nathaniel White Will Plat - Hanover Co VA Nathaniel White Will  - Hanover Co VA
1830 Census KY - B White - A Walthall New Kent Doc - Connection Names listed Hanover Co Court min - Elisha White 1782
Robt_& Elisha White - Advertisement 1774 Elisha White Rev War Rcd - "The Duel" 2 Elisha White's - Misc Notes - by L Durham
Elisha White & Others - Hanover Co Petitions Elisha White in Debt Dispute - Henrico Co 1787 Indenture - Elisha White, Charles Talley
David White 1781 Estate Inventory - Smith Tools - Henrico Co VA - DNA Connects to Mike White via his descendant Don White
1788 Indenture (Deed) Hanover Co - Elias White to Samuel Earnest Hanover 1783-1792 - Deeds - Overseers - other misc records
1782 Deed Transaction - Bk #1, P.13 & 14 - Theodocia White & Son Elisha Crowley White - Henrico Co VA
Rev William S White of Hanover Co VA - .PDF Book - English, son of Barrett White
Religious Petition to the House of Burgesses - about 1778 - White's & Talley's etc signed
Catherine White of Hanover Co VA - Married John Jackson - Found in his Rev War Pension Application
 Mary White Petition - Names Robert White born 1773, son of David White with Elisha White named - on file Richmond VA
Lt. Robert White born about 1759 - Rev War Vet - Nephew of Alexander White - Letter to Governor - Marlboro Iron Works
PDF FILE: View various "Proposed - WHITE FAMILY TREE'S OF HANOVER CO VA, by Elizabeth Edmonds (do you own research)"
 1782 Tax Records for Hanover Co VA - surname White's and Neighbors
Some Early Marriages of Hanover County Virginia - PDF File
Quit Rents List 1763 - Hanover Co Epidemics 1600-1700's (known)
1809 - Chancery Case RE Children of David White VA Argus 07 07 1809
USGS Topo Map Web Site - Hanover area Archeology/History Web Site - Hanover area

Mission Statements

Our common DNA Connections trace back to Hanover Co VA
Includes: White's, Thurman's, Walthall's, Talley's, Durham's...
all connected to each other via our Genetic/Genealogy DNA.
Hopefully, we can find evidence of our common ancestry in this area.

This page is an attempt to organize our knowledge of
Hanover VA, and hopefully, make the connections
of our related families & expand our family tree's

Documents below show our connections, names & lands
adjacent to our connections and court documents that
reference our various connections that may help us...

1742 Map Hanover Co VA

1750 Map Hanover Co VA

Fall Line Road - Primary Trade & Migration Trail Prior to 1750
Road ran through Hanover Co VA

 

 Page made possible by: Deborah Parks

 UP^   Historic Polegreen Church Foundation   UP^
Brief History of our area of interest to our DNA connections
""The events below greatly affected our ancestors""

Note the "N. Tally" area at bottom (Hanover Co)

Introduction:
From the founding of the Virginia Colony in 1607 at Jamestown Island until the American Revolution 170 years later, there was only one officially recognized religion in the colony. The Anglican Church operated as the established church. Church structures were built by the colonial government, and their ministers were paid by taxing the citizens. All other religious groups were discouraged, suppressed and harassed.

The Great Awakening:
In the late 1730's a powerful religious movement, which became known as the "Great Awakening" took hold in the middle colonies of America. It was initially energized by the preaching of George Whitefield, the itinerating British Methodist evangelist, and soon followed by a noticeable number of Presbyterian clergy. In 1739 Whitefield preached in Williamsburg. His sermon was published and widely read throughout Virginia. Shortly thereafter a Hanover County brick mason named Samuel Morris gathered his family and some neighbors into his home regularly on Sunday afternoons to read the Bible and religious tracts, including Whitefield's sermons. This was the beginning of the dissenter movement in Virginia. By 1743 the Governor's Council in Williamsburg licensed four dissenter "reading houses", three in Hanover County and one in Henrico. They were all named "Morris Reading Houses". The reading house built on Samuel Morris' land was named after George Polegreen, a land grant recipient of the previous century.

The Appearance of Samuel Davies:
At the request of the Hanover dissenters a newly ordained 23-year-old Presbyterian minister from Pennsylvania arrived in 1747 to be pastor of the four congregations which had been licensed by the Colonial government in 1743. He was the first non-Anglican minister licensed to preach in Virginia. Davies remained in Virginia until 1759 and made a remarkable contribution to the religious and political climate of the colony. Among his achievements was his pioneering effort in the education of black slaves. The classic negro slave spiritual, "Lord, I want to be a Christian in my heart" originated at Polegreen. Musicologists credit Davies with being the first American-born hymn writer. His poetry was published in Williamsburg in 1752. He had no peer as a pulpit orator in Virginia, or perhaps in all the colonies, during his lifetime. Patrick Henry worshipped with his mother, a Hanover dissenter, at Polegreen during the twelve years Davies was in Virginia. Before Henry's death he credited Davies with "teaching me what an orator should be." During the French and Indian War, Davies distinguished himself as an American patriot prompting Governor Dinwiddie to say, "Davies is the best recruiter in the colony".

The Last Days of Polegreen
For more than a century the Polegreen Church stood as a monument to the Hanover Dissenters and Samuel Davies in their struggle for religious liberty in pre-revolutionary America. In 1864, during America's agonizing Civil War, General Grant, trying to take Richmond, made an attempt to break through General Lee's lines along the Totopotomoy Creek. Polegreen Church rested squarely in the center as the two armies faced each other. During an attack the Union forces overran the Confederate outer positions and occupied the church. In an effort to dislodge Union sharpshooters, Confederate artillery fired on the church. According to the diary of William S. White, a gunner with the Richmond Howitzers, his gun fired the shot that set the church ablaze. Ironically, his diary notes that his own father had been baptized in Polegreen Church.

In war-ravaged Hanover County the congregation which had worshipped at Polegreen could not afford to rebuild the destroyed church. Over the years since 1864 all signs of the great center of the struggle for religious liberty vanished.

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White Family History - Hanover Co VA
It is apparent, from recent discoveries of historical documents including publications of The Wm. & Mary Quarterly, wills deeds and tax records found in archives of public records in Kentucky and in Virginia, that our family history is parallel with the history of Kentucky, Virginia and possibly of America herself. Although, our oral history states we are of Irish decent and of Quaker origin, our Irish ancestry nor the first immigrant to America proven to be of our lineage has yet to be discovered.

That being said, our ancestors have been documented in Hanover County, Virginia as early as 1774. There are references to supposed relatives in Rappahannock as early as 1661 and an article by Mrs Mary Dowling Bond her article titled (26 Feb 1924 Anderson News article: Anderson County Pioneer Families ) states " As early as 1680 John White owned the plantation near Beaver Dam in Hanover County Virginia". Unfortunately, Hanover County not established until 26 Nov 1720

These earlier immigrants to The Colonies, of which we are apparenty decended, came for several reasons. The first, was to escape religious, economic and social persecution in their homeland. Secondly, a few were bannished to The Colonies for punishment of crimes in England however the bulk simply came to seek their fortunes in the new world. Earlier Scots-Irish immigrants were mostly Presbyterians or Puritans who were persecuted by the Church of England and were unable to own land or hold a job. The term Scots-Irish is used to describe the people of "Ulster" which currently encompases Northern Ireland and two counties of the Republic of Ireland made up the bulk of these immigrants. On a recent trip to the Ulster region of Northern Ireland I was astounded to learn that the surname White is the 25th most popular name falling between Kelly and Sweeney. I briefly visited White's Tavern the oldest pub in Belfast while there. Several waves of Ulster immigrants settled in Pennsylvania, then Virginia and diverged to Kentucky or North and South Carolina.

Hanover County Virginia, settled by planters and plantation owners at the headwaters of the Pamunky River was a westward outgrowth of original settlements in the Tidewater Region of Virginia. The County was officially formed in 1720 from New Kent County (which was formed out of Spotsylvania County) and was named after King George I who was the "Elector of Hanover in Germany" when he ascended to the Throne. The earliest current reference to property ownership presently proven to be of our lineage is the 1789 tax rolls of Hanover County, Virginia. There, Phillip White had 200 acres and apparent siblings Thomas, Elias, Chelton, John, Robert & Ambrose( later children of Phillip were given some of these names again) were also land owners. A John White, a presumed brother had an ordinary license (Tavern / Inn). Mention of Whites as land owners in St. Paul Parish of Hanover County is numerous. Not only purchases and sales of property but in "meets and bounds" references of other property transfers. Barret White, currently our earliest proven ancestor, was a member of the Hanover Committee of Safety in 1774. A John White, either Uncle, Father or no relation was also a member of the Hanover Committee of Safety.

Unfortunately, most of the Hanover records were destroyed during the Civil War. The county clerk removed the records to Richmond for safekeeping during the conflict which proved to be disastrous. Hanover is the county of Henry Clay's father as well as Patrick Henry, Thomas Sumter, The Breckenridge's and others who's names are familiar to Early American Historians. It was also home to Dolly Madison for a time. Many Civil War battles, including Mechanicsville, First and Second Cold Harbor, North Anna, Hanover Courthouse, Gaines Mill, Seven Days and Watt House were fought in Hanover due to its proximity to Richmond. It seems that the White's had started the move to Kentucky after 1789. The area was originally settled by the Chickahominy and Pamunky Indians and their reservations are nearby today.

The Kentucky migration came via river from Pittsburg and overland through the Cumberland Gap from Virginia. Land laws of 1779 passed by the Virginia Legislature were an impetus to migration to Kentucky, then a County of VA (KY became the 15th state in 1792) stating "reserved for Virginia Troops, 400 acres for $9.00 plus a pre-emptive right to buy an additional 1,000 acres adjoining". Kentucky Soldiers of War tributes Phillip White with service as a Major in the War of 1812. Documents have been discovered proving our family's presence in Kentucky as early as 1791 (Wm & Mary Quarterly vol 21 #3 pg 151/Jno White of Hanover purchased negroes and cattle from Robert Blackwell of Woodford County, KY). This John is presumed to be a brother to Philip. Philip, along with his father Barret and , presumed Grandfather Col. John White (Uncle or no relation whatsoever) were members of the Hanover Committee of Safety at the start of the Revolutionary war. Committees of Safety were established after the House of Burgess was dissolved by the King of England and the precursor to local government in America.

As was the custom of the time, families tended to move in-masse to new frontiers, and the White's seem to be no different. Phillip White and his sisters, Fanny, who married Reverend John Penny and Mary, who married Robert Blackwell were some of the first settlers of Lawrenceburg and are referenced extensively in Anderson County history. I recently uncovered a deed dated 25 July 1815 wherein he purchased land from a Thomas Prather. He became a major land owner and, according to History of Anderson County, "exercised much influence in the formation of society there along with brothers-in-law John Penny, Sr. and Robert Blackwell" and neighbor Andrew McBrayer, who's son later married one of Philip's daughters. He served in the Kentucky Legislature in 1816 representing Franklin County (portions later to become Anderson County in 1827) He was also sheriff of Franklin County in 1820. His will, page 103, will book #1, Frankfort, Franklin County, KY circa. 1822, four pages in length, is testament to his extensive holdings. The first settlement in Kentucky was Harrodsburg in 1774 by Captain Harrod ( Boonesboro settled a year later in 1775) and Lawrenceburg was apparently an outgrowth of the Harrodsburg settlement once the threat of Indian raids subsided.

Research progress is slowed due to the fact that each written statement must be independently cooperated since much of the early history was oral and subject to error. For instance, a recent paper found in the Anderson County Library stated that a Colonel John White b: 1695 must have served in the Revolutionary war when, in fact, if you apply common sense you realize the man would have been in his 80's and must have received his rank elsewhere. Printed books should not escape the same scrutiny. I have already uncovered several mistakes in the History of Anderson County mentioned earlier. When conflict occurs the researchers judgment falls with the source that is most credible such as legal documents like deeds, wills and lawsuits or respected publications such as the Wm. & Mary Quarterly. Progress has also been slowed by the fact that it seem there are more White's in Colonial American history than leaves on a tree in June.

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1784 Court Case - Hanover Co VA

Listed are: Robert & Lucy White - Jesse & Ann White

Provided by: Deborah Parks

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1774 Advertisement - involving Elisha & Robert & Barrett White of Hanover Co VA


http://research.history.org/DigitalLibrary/VirginiaGazette/VGImagePopup.cfm?ID=4400&Res=HI

Additional Advertisements - Provided by: L Durham
May 11, 2014

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Elisha White Military Data - Revolutionary War

Provided by: L Durham

"The Duel"

Elisha White military data ‏

     I’m finding some very interesting info about an Elisha White who served in the 1st VA Regiment in the Rev War. One of the entries (see letter below by Mr. Custis to Gov. Patrick Henry) was startling, as it recounted a duel between Elisha and Lt. John Greene, son of a Col. Greene, the result of which was that Elisha killed Greene. I believe this was Elisha from our line, son of John Sr. “who left orphans” and brother of Barrett. George Washington wrote in a letter to Elisha’s superior officer to have him arrested. I couldn’t find any records about him being tried, etc. He did return to the army, become captain and receive 4,000 acres of bounty land, so I guess they let him off the hook.

Rotunda is the site that hosts the George Washington papers. They offer a free 48 hour trial.
http://www.upress.virginia.edu/rotunda/ 

     I inquired about our ancestors' military involvement with the 1st VA
Regiment at a Rev War reenactment club's website. Please read the his
response below:
 
To: L Durham
Subject: Re: 1st VA Regiment
 
     "I have looked in the book, The First Virginia Regiment of Foot, by M. Lee
Minnis (available from Heritage Books at www.heritagebooks.com). Mr.
Minnis lists Elisha White as a 2nd Lieutenant on June 11, 1777 in the 1st
Virginia. On April 29, 1778 he killed Lt. John Green in a duel and fled
camp. (An unusual but not unheard of circumstance.)
 
He apparently returned to the regiment and was later promoted to Captain.
 
A John White is listed as a private in the First Virginia, and he served for
some time in the light infantry company. He was discharged in 1780.
 
Minnis' book lists several other Whites and a couple of Durhams.
 
You will also find Elisha and others listed on the Valley Forge Muster Roll
(Nat. Park Service):
 
 http://valleyforgemusterroll.org/muster.asp "

To Patrick Henry

Dear Sir

Head Quarters Fredericksburg 14th Octobr 1778

Your favr of the 31st July only reached me by yesterday’s post—If Mr. WHITE returns to the Army I must be under the necessity of taking notice of his unhappy Affair with Mr. Greene—I cannot say whether the friends of the deceased will appear to prosecute, if they do not, I shall have discharged my duty and the thing will pass off. As Colo. Greene is at present in Virginia, Mr. WHITE may contrive to know his determination and had better form his resolutions accordingly. I have the honor to be with the greatest Regard Your Excellency’s most obediant.

Df, in Tench Tilghman’s writing, DLC:GW; Varick transcript, DLC:GW. Tilghman docketed the draft: “14th October 1778 to Govr Henry by Mr. Custis.”

Henry had written GW from Williamsburg, Va., on 31 July 1778: “I beg Leave to trouble your Excellency in Respect to Lieutenant WHITE of the first Virginia Regiment, who unfortunately killed a Mr. Green as I’m told in a Duel. It was recommended to him to leave Camp as he says, for a while, ’til the first Heats should be allayed, & until the sober Reflection of the deceased’s Friends should suffer them to view the Affair in a just Light. Mr. WHITE has done so; & he now thinks that his Honor calls him again to the Army where he hopes to go on his Duty again unmolested, unless the Laws of the Army shall render it necessary to call him to account. He with many others supposes that Custom has in some Sort controlled the Laws against Dueling in Cases where Provocation can be pleaded. However he submits cheerfully to what you are pleased to order. I have only to say that I believe him a worthy young man & a good Officer” (ALS, DLC:GW). Elisha WHITE, who had been commissioned a second lieutenant in the 1st Virginia Regiment on 11 June 1777, was dropped from the rolls as absent without leave in May 1778. John Green (c.1760–1778) was a son of Col. John Green of the 10th Virginia Regiment.

On 21 Nov. 1778 Col. Richard Parker of the 1st Virginia Regiment wrote GW’s [375] assistant secretary Richard Kidder Meade that WHITE had rejoined the regiment at West Point and that “he is desirous of continuing an Officer if he can do it with propriety[.] It is my wish that he should do so but cannot do it without your Excellency’s permission. Col. Green who is the only person who wished him prosecuted is reconciled and now wishes him to take command in his Regiment” (PHi: Gratz Collection). Meade replied to Parker on 25 Nov.: “I received your favor respecting Lieut. WHITE, and presented the one it contained to His Excellency. I have it in command from him to desire you will have that Gentleman arrested for having killed Lieut. Greene in a Duel, when the charge is to be transmitted to the Adjut. Genl. this is a step the rules of the Army & a regard to propriety obliged the Genl to take” (DLC:GW). No record of WHITE being tried on this charge has been found.

Cite as: The Papers of George Washington Digital Edition, ed. Theodore J. Crackel. Charlottesville: University of Virginia Press, Rotunda, 2008.

Canonic URL: http://rotunda.upress.virginia.edu/founders/GEWN-03-17-02-0395 [accessed 22 Jun 2014]

Original source: Revolutionary War Series (16 June 1775–31 May 1779), Volume 17 (15 September–31 October 1778)

The Founding Era Collection
The University of Virginia Press

     This next entry is a Rev War order for clothing to be provided to some new recruits (Jack WHITE, James Childer and James DERHAM [DURHAM]), recruited by Lt. or Capt. Elisha WHITE: [from a transcription of CLOTHING AND ACCOUTREMENTS OF THE OFFICERS AND SOLDIERS OF THE VIRGINIA FORCES 1775-1780. From the RECORDS of the PUBLIC STORE at WILLIAMSBURG, Mary R. M. Goodwin, June 1962]:

Page 24 [Williamsburg, October 6, 1778]

    

"UNITED STATES Pr verb. Ord. Mr Page

DR

  

For Soldiers allowed by Act of Assembly,473 to Jack WHITE, James Childer & James DERHAM (DURHAM), recruited by Capt WHITE of ye 1st Regiment: Vizt-

   

To 6 pr Shoes @ 24/. 6 pr Stockings @ 15/

11:14: 0

  

6 Shirts @ 25/. 3 Hatts @ 7/6d

8:12: 6

  

3 Suits of Regimental Cloaths @ £15.10/

46:10: 0

£66:16: 6"

Pr Elisha WHITE, Lt.-"

    

http://research.history.org/DigitalLibrary/View/index.cfm?doc=ResearchReports\RR0049.xml

From: L Durham

     I now understand why the woolen mill manufactory was so important at the time. It would have provided wool to make military uniforms. I’m guessing it did not become profitable since the war interest died out, but this is just a guess! Don’t quote me…

     From my research, I was able to pinpoint who Elisha Cowley White was. He was the son of Elisha, Jr. & Theodolia Cowley White, and the grandson of Capt. Elisha White. Elisha Cowley White appeared on Deb’s pdfs (Theodocia & Elisha Cowley White Henry Co VA Deed Bk 1 p 13 and 14). Elisha Jr. died in 1781. Theodolia wrote up an indenture of transfer (effectively a will) in 1782 when her son was underage bequeathing him a “Gentile education”, maintenance and half of her slaves as long as he was of majority age when he got married. He was probably a little boy at the time.

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2 Elisha White's Sr & Jr

Misc notes from: L Durham

I ran across some info on what I think are several Elisha Whites from Hanover:

Elisha White, Sr. (bef 1744 – 1801) served in the French & Indian Wars and the Rev War, as you may recall. His son and namesake (____ - 1781) served in the Rev War. Both were from Hanover. Some of the following info is probably about Jr. (or poss. another Elisha in the family), but I’m not certain.

· 1768 - Owned a saw mill in 1768 [VA Gazette]

· 1776 - Transported prisoner Capt. Jacob Ellegood/Elligood, a loyalist to the Crown, from Newcastle in Hanover Co to Winchester, VA (his payment was authorized on July 4, 1776) [Calendar of VA State Papers and Other Manuscripts”, Vol. 8, Palmer, McRae, Flournoy, Colston, p. 237, 1890]

· 1796 - Served as sheriff in Hanover in October, 1796

· 1798 - Applied to the Governor to be “Director of the Penitentiary House” (aka the state jail) in 02/27/1798 [Calendar of VA State Papers, Vol. 8, p. 465] My comment here is that Sr. may have been over the age of 63 at this time. Is it reasonable to assume he could manage this type of work given his age? Jr. died in 1781, so if it wasn’t Sr., then there is another Elisha.

Elisha Jr. died testate in 1781, leaving a widow (Theodolia/Theodocia) and an only child (Elisha Cowley White).

Notes on James White possible son of Elisha & Lucy White

notes from: L Durham
 
From: Laurel (ldurham6@cox.net)
Sent: Sat 5/09/15 10:39 AM

I do believe the James White in the following Jeremiah Wade deed is the s/o Elisha & Lucy White:

“Jeremiah Wade to Littlebury Wade, Sr. 1,200 land on North Fork of Matadequin Cr., devised by William Wade, Dec'd. to his son Jeremiah Wade, Excepting Mill & 10 acres sold to Col. John Syme; containing 242 acres bounded by Samuel Fox, James White, Nicholas & Charles Talley, William Reynolds & sd. fork of Matadequin. Wit: John White, Jr., Robert Wade, Andrew Thurman, Jesse White*. Proved 4 June 1789 by oath of Robert Wade and Andrew Thurman. 6 Aug 1789 proved by oath of John White.”

*There may have been a transcription error on this deed as well. It has circulated on the internet as witnessed by Jesse White, but when I looked at the original, it appears to be Silas White instead. I was only able to identify one Silas White, and he is not HP as far as I know.

There were multiple deeds for land owned by White family members in 1789 on the west fork of Matadequin Creek, including John poss. “son of Elisha”, John Jr., James and Jesse. This may or may not be a mixture of brothers and cousins.

The James White that I think went to Cumberland may have been connected with the Garlands, and poss. Garmons.
 

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A Robert White on Hanover VA Court Docuement
Provided by: Deborah Parks

Mike

May be nothing, but thought I’d send you this document (attached) that I came across while researching a Hanover County court case. The reference to Robert White is about midway through the doc.

Chickahominy Swamp was EXACTLY where my Thurmans were as were the Talleys and McKinneys that we both match. AND is in Hanover Co VA – where this court case was filed.

Now, I realize that the Chickahominy Swamp area is a bit north of where Roanoke River lies (see attached map). The property in question is toward Mechanicsville. But I just can’t help but wonder about this Robert White. Sadly, it doesn’t mention where Robert White was living at the time. AND these Ellis brothers who were in Alabama in 1827, were living where the Talley men that we match were living. They must have migrated together from VA >SC>GA>AL very early on and rather quickly – as this area of Alabama was WILD and dangerous in 1827.  Deb

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UP^     Robert White born 1773     UP^

Record discovered in Richmond Virginia

This Robert may have connections to the Hanover Co VA White's

Mary White submits petition
Robert, David, Elisha White mentioned

Provided by:  Deborah Parks

 

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UP^     Lt Robert White born abt 1759     UP^

Record discovered in Richmond Virginia

Estimated to have been Written 1780-1781

This Robert appears to be the Nephew
of a Alexander White who writes a
letter to the Governor

Provided by:  Deborah Parks

Below estimated to have been recorded 1780-1781

Marlboro Iron Works: Old Forge Farm, also known as Zane's Furnace, Stephens Fort, and Marlboro Iron Works, is a historic home and farm located near Middletown, Frederick County, Virginia. The original section dates to the 18th century. The house is a two-story, asymmetrical, three-bay, limestone dwelling with a two-story addition connecting the main house to a one-story former summer kitchen. Also on the property are the contributing 18th century hexagonal ice house of unusual design, an early 20th-century root cellar, privy, and shed. The property was first known as Stephen's Fort, built by Lewis Stephens, son of Peter Stephens, for protection during the French and Indian War. Sold in 1767 to Isaac Zane, whose Zane's Furnace (Marlboro Iron Works) was a major manufacturer of munitions for the Continental Army.    (noting, that Robt White 1743-1843, was a Blacksmith by trade during the Revolutionary War, this is probably not our Robert White Sr, but his trade during this war, was in high demand, and this suggest that our Robt. may have worked in a industry like Marlboro Iron Works, and may have, also, travelled with his unit, in the field, in a blacksmith capacity).

For more information:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Forge_Farm_(Middletown,_Virginia)

 

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From Deborah: Chickahominy Swamp was EXACTLY where my Thurmans were as were the Talleys and
McKinneys that we both match. AND is in Hanover Co VA – where this court case was filed.

Comments:  Now, I realize that the Chickahominy Swamp area is a bit north of where Roanoke River lies (see attached map). The property in question is toward Mechanicsville. But I just can’t help but wonder about this Robert White. Sadly, it doesn’t mention where Robert White was living at the time. AND these Ellis brothers who were in Alabama in 1827, were living where the Talley men that we match were living. They must have migrated together from VA >SC>GA>AL very early on and rather quickly – as this area of Alabama was WILD and dangerous in 1827.

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Click Here for a .PDF File of This Mr John White Family & Descendants
 Posted PDF here May 29, 2018 - Provided by Deborah Parks

John White Jr Family Hanover VA

 

WHITE
1.Colonel John WHITE b: 1695 (//Hanover/VA?) d: 20 Dec 1758 (//Hanover/Va )
...+ 'K'atherine b: 1691 d: 30 Dec 1758 //Henrico/Va )
.......2 Barrett WHITE b: 22 July 1727 //Louisa/VA d: 18 Feb1782  Roanoake//Va (in the 55th year of his age and was much    lamented by his friends and neighbors being a good neighbor, a tender husband, good father and a kind master to his slaves. (Barrett White Family Bible)
..........+Elizabeth STARK b:3 April 1736  //Louisa/VA d: 14 Dec 1815 m: 4 Feb 1754 (Wm & Mary Qtrly v5 p 257 Stark) Daughter of John Stark & Anne Wyatt
............3 Thomas WHITE
............+ Elizabeth m: 17 Jan 1779 d: 3 SEPT 1779
............3 William WHITE b: 30 JUL 1733 //Louisa/Va d:20 SEPT 1820 Richmond/Henrico/VA
............+ Mildred (Milly) ELLIS m: 5 SEPT 1799* (Barrett White Family Bible) d: 22JUL 1845  
............3 Fanny White b:12 Sep 1760 in //Louisa/Virginia. d: 27 Apr 1839 in Lawrenceburg/Anderson/Kentucky m: 25 FEB 1785* (Barrett White Family Bible)
...............+Reverend John PENNEY  (Their decendant is J. C. Penney)
............3 Mary WHITE
...............+ Robert BLACKWELL
............3 Sarah White
...............+ Col. Edward TYMAN
............3 Ann WHITE m: 25 MAY 1774 (Barrett White Family Bible)
............3 Phillip Starke WHITE b:12 January 1766 d: 16 Sept 1822 (WILL) ( War of 1812? & represented Franklin County in 1816 Legislature
..............+ Lucy MILLS b:1764 d: 16 Sept 1822 m: 11 Apr 1786 //Albemarle/VA ( Daughter of David Mills of Albemarle Co. VA)
.................4 John B WHITE
...................+ Jane CLARKJ m: 9 September 1814 ( Daughter of Matthew Clark of Franklin Co. KY)
.................4 Joseph WHITE ( Ambassador to Rome )
...................+ Ellen L. ADAIR m: 5 December 1820 ( Daughter of John Adair Governor of KY of Woodford Co. KY )
.................4 Everett WHITE
...................+ xxxxxxxxxxx m: //Woodford/KY
.................4 Phillip WHITE
.................4 Zachariah WHITE
...................+ Agnes STEEL m: 4 May 1822 ( Daughter of John Steele of Woodford Co, KY)
.................4 Martha B. WHITE
...................+ John M FOSTER m: 5 April 1804 //Franklin/KY
.................4 Elizabeth WHITE
...................+ James McBRAYER
.................4 Thomas J. WHITE b: 19 Sept 1805 in Virginia d: 16 May1879 in Hebron Church Cemetery Lawrenceburg/Anderson/KY
...................+Jane Frances PERRY b: 14 November 1798 in Kentucky d: 21 September 1880 in Hebron Church Cemetery Lawrenceburg/Anderson/KY m: July 3, 1828 in //Goochland/Virginia
......................5 Waller O. WHITE 1830 - b: 1830 in Lawrenceburg/Anderson/KY d://Wayne/Il. 31 Oct 1861
........................+George Ann PRICE  b: 1842 in //Johnson/MO m: 20 December1860 in Residence of Thomas Price
......................5 Ellis E. WHITE b: 1833
......................5 Rachel WHITE b: 1837
......................5 Thomas Scott WHITE b: 9 May 1840 d: 4 April 1911 in Hebron Church Cemetary Lawrenceburg/Anderson/KY
........................+Elizabeth ROUTT b: 1843 in Kentucky d: in Anderson County Cemetary, Kentucky m: 22 October1863 in Lawrenceburg/Anderson/Kentucky

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John White Jr of Hanvover County VA

Devise of John White, St. Paul's Parish,
Hanover Co., Va.
Louisa Co. Deed Book C, pp. 72 3. July 6, 1758

Whereas John White late of the Parish of St. Paul in the County of Hanover by his last will and testament has devised and bequeathed part of the estate whereof he did possess to be equally divided among six of his the said testator's children to wit: Edith White now the wife of John Holt, Elisha White, Wm. White, Tillah now the wife of Thomas King, Helena Maria now the wife of Joseph Holt, and Martha now the wife of Sackville Brewer. Each of whom are subscribers to these presents whereas also we the said subscribers have by and with consent of the said testator's executors equally divided that part of the said John White s estate so given to be divided amongst us according to the said testator s will excepting one negro woman slave named Lydia which said slave we have jointly agreed to lend to Katherine Brain our mother and the rest of the estate both real and personal lent to our said mother by the said testator's will and to be by her enjoyed during her natural life and then to be equally divided amongst us. We the subscribers do therefore by these presents acknowledge, confess, and declare for ourselves, our heirs, executors, administrators and assigns that we each and every one of us did and do consent and agree with the said division as equally and justly made. In witness whereof we have hereunto set our hands and seals this sixth day of July, one thousand seven hundred and fifty eight (6 July 1758).

Witnesses: Signed and Sealed:
James Brewer John Holt
Edmond Brewer Elisha White
John Henderson William White
Philip Brewer Thomas King
Sarah Brewer Joseph Holt
Sackville Brewer

At a Court held for Louisa County the 28th day of June, 1761 this instrument of writing was this day in open Court proved to be the act of the legatees thereto subscribed and by the oaths of John Henderson and Philip Brewer admitted to record and is recorded.

Test e: James Littlepage, Clerk of Court

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John White Jr

Deed to John White, Jr. of St. Paul's Parish,
Hanover Co., Va.
Louisa Co. Deed Book A, pp. 330 31, Oct. 11, 1748

This indenture made the eleventh day of October in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and forty eight between Joseph Walker and Mary, his wife, of the Vestry of St. James of the one part and John White, Jr. of the Parish of St. Paul's, Hanover Co. of the other part. Witnesseth that the said Joseph Walker and Mary his wife for and in consideration of the sum of sixty four pounds ( 64) current money of Virginia to him, her, them or any of them in hand paid or secured to be paid at or before the sealing and delivery of these presents the receipt whereof he the said Joseph Walker and Mary his wife and each of them cloth hereby acknowledge thereof and every part thereof cloth clearly acquit and discharge the said John White his heirs, executors, and administrators forever by these presents hath given, granted, bargained, sold, aliened, enfeoffed and confirmed and by these presents cloth fully and absolutely give, grant, bargain, sell, alien, enfeoff and confirm unto the said John White and his heirs all that certain tract or parcel of land lying and being in the Parish of Fredericksville and County of Louisa on the South Anna River and upon both sides of Hammonds Creek containing two hundred and thirteen acres more or less with a mill and one acre of land on the other side of the creek .

Signed and sealed:
Joseph Walker (W) his mark
Mary Walker (X) her mark

Witnesses:

John Walker (I) his mark
Elisha White
John HoIt
Robt. Braine

Provided by: Michael Talley

(these records were also provided by L Durham, below on this page, in a couple of places)

St Paul's Parish Records Virginia: (John White's)

29 July 1695 The Vestry Book of St. Paul's Parish, page 1;
reference to John White, appointed Surveyor of
Highways in certain precincts by New Kent County
Court.

30 May 1697 The Vestry Book and Register of St. Peter's
Parish, page 404; John, son of John White,
baptized.

4 July 1702 's Colonial S page 218; John
White, Pvt., present at Militia muster, New
Kent County.

25 March 1704 The Quit Rents of Virginia; John White
of New Kent County paid annual "quit rent" of
2 shillings per 100 acres on 190 and 320 acres.

1 June 1704 The Vestry Book of St. Paul's Parish, page 593;
formation of St. Paul's Parish from the upper
part of St. Peter's Parish.

2 Nov. 1705 Cavaliers and Pioneers Vol. 3, page 102;
John White of St. Paul's Parish, New Kent
County, issued patent on 211 acres at Beaver Dam
Swamp for importation of 5 persons.

24 Sept. 1708 The Vestry Book of St. Paul's Parish, page 208;
Vestry ordered land into precincts for
Processioning. John White made return on his land
in precinct 33.

3 April 1711 The Vestry Book of St. Paul's Parish, page 47;
Vestry ordered Capt. Robt. Anderson and Mr. John
White execute the office of Church Wardens during
the ensuing year and are hereby required and
empowered to act therein according to law.

22 April 1712 The Vestry Book of St. Paul's Parish, page 54;
Vestry ordered Mr. John White and Mr. Rowland
Horsley execute the office of Church Wardens
during the ensuing year.

11 Nov. 1712 The Vestry Book of St. Paul's Parish, page 57;
in obedience to an order of New Kent County
Court a road is cleared from Mr. John White's
mill to Half Sink Road. In obedience to same
order a road is cleared from Mr. John White's
mill to Polegreen's Old Field.

19 June 1714 The Vestry Book of St. Paul's Parish, page 65;
Vestry ordered Mr. John White, late Church Warden,
to write to Macaja & Rich d Perry to pay a set of
Bills of Exchange, etc.

11 Oct. 1718 The Vestry Book of St. Paul's Parish, page 84;
Vestry empowered Maj. Nicholas Meriwether and
Mr. John White to agree with workmen the price to
be paid to build a new church at the
crossroads.

10 Oct. 1719 The Vestry Book of St. Paul's Parish, page 256;
Vestry ordered land into precincts for
Processioning. John White made return on his land
in precincts 7, 18, and 19.

21 Nov. 1720 The Vestry Book of St. Paul s Parish, page 595;
formation of Hanover County from that part of New
Kent County lying in St. Paul's Parish.

27 Sept. 1729 Cavaliers and Pioneers Vol. 3, page 359;
John White of Hanover County issued patent on
1888 acres (N.L.) new land on both sides of
South Anna River, on Indian & Little Creeks,
9 lbs., 10 shillings.

29 Oct. 1731 The Vestry Book of St. Paul's Parish, page 272;
Vestry ordered land into precincts for
Processioning. Samuel White in precinct 16 and
John White, Jr. in precinct 21 first appear as
land owners.

18 Oct. 1735 The Vestry Book of St. Paul's Parish, page 283;
Vestry ordered land into precincts for
Processioning. John White no longer acting
as one of the overseers in precinct 17 where
he is a land owner. (Old age, ill health?)

15 Oct. 1737 The Vestry Book of St. Paul's Parish, page 149;
John White attends last Vestry meeting. (Old
age, ill health?)

18 Oct. 1743 The Vestry Book of St. Paul's Parish, page 302;
Vestry ordered land into precincts for
Processioning. John White, Jr. made return
on his land in precinct 16 and also added his
survey mark (MK) to John White's land in
precinct 17, March 29, 1744.

16 April 1744 The Vestry Book of St. Paul's Parish, page 178;
John Dixon, Gent., is elected Vestryman in the room of John White, deceas'd.

17 Nov. 1755 The Vestry Book of St. Paul's Parish, page 339;
Vestry ordered land into precincts for
Processioning. John White, Jr. made return on own
land in precinct 15 and made return on land of
John White's Orphans (in possession of Robt.
Braine) in precinct 16.

6 July 1758 Louisa Co., Va., Deed Book "C", pages 72 3;
Devise of John White, dec'd., names six of his
children and wife Catherine, now married to
Robt. Braine.

19 Nov. 1759 The Vestry Book of St. Paul's Parish, page 376;
Vestry ordered land into precincts for
Processioning. Land of John White, Jr. in
precinct 15 witnessed by Barrett White. John
White, Jr. made return on land of John White's
Orphans (in possession of Robt. Braine)
precinct 16 for last time on March 21, 1760.

30 Nov. 1763 The Vestry Book of St. Paul's Parish, page 311;
Vestry ordered land into precincts for
Processioning. John White is no longer listed
as a processioner or overseer.

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'K'atherine White wife of John White Jr., Releases Dower
on Deed of Indenture from Hanover Co VA, to Mr. Cook,
now of Henrico County VA. Nov. 1745. Presented to the
Court in Henrico Co VA, Feb. 1747 & released Dower,
appears the case was about concluded on May 1748.
In Court Henrico Co VA

John White Jr & wife Katherine

The importance of this Indenture/Deed document, lends support that
John White Jr's Wife's, first name was "K"atherine, NOT spelled with a C.
Note also this that this document showing 'K'atherine, supports the St Paul's
Parish "Confessions of Faith", document that, also, uses 'K'atherine not with a 'C'.

Provided by: Deborah Parks

Provided by: Michael Talley

“Their second daughter Mary Croshaw, married Henry White.”

From Americans of Gentle Birth, Vol. II, pp 158

On page 159:

“Henry White derived descent lineally from Sir John White, knighted by Queen Elizabeth for bravery on the field.

John, son of Colonel Henry White, lived near Ellision’s Mills, and had sons, Barret, Elisha, William and Richard White, all of whom served in the Revolution. William was killed at the battle of Brandywine.

Barret White, was a member of the Hanover County Committee of Safety in 1774. He married February 4, 1754, Elizabeth Starke, daughter of John Starke, of Hanover County, and Ann Wyatt Starke. They had children, William Starke White, who remained in Virginia; 2. Thomas White moved to Kentucky, thence to Missouri; 3, Philip married Lucy…”

I would have copied more, but that was all that google books would let me see.

http://books.google.de/books?id=-E1lAAAAMAAJ&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=%22Henry+White%22

Rebuttal of above entry by Laurel Durham:
 

“Their second daughter Mary Croshaw, married Henry White.” Wrong Henry. Our Henry prob. married Alice unk. The Mary Croshaw/Henry White marriage resulted in children such as Unity and Joseph, Henry having the decency to die testate. Different land inheritance than our line.

From Americans of Gentle Birth, Vol. II, pp 158

On page 159:

“Henry White derived descent lineally from Sir John White, knighted by Queen Elizabeth for bravery on the field. There were several Henry Whites/Wyatts, some related some not.

John, son of Colonel Henry White, lived near Ellision’s Mills, and had sons, Barret Barrett was a patriot, but didn’t actually serve, prob. due to age, Elisha, William and Richard no Richard, but there were Robert, Samuel and James White, all of whom served in the Revolution. William was killed at the battle of Brandywine wrong William.

Barret White, was a member of the Hanover County Committee of Safety in 1774. He married February 4, 1754, Elizabeth Starke, daughter of John Starke, of Hanover County, and Ann Wyatt Starke. No Ann as w/o Barrett. Barrett married Eliz Starke, and she was his widow. She remarried his brother William. They had children, William Starke White, who remained in Virginia; 2. Thomas White moved to Kentucky, thence to Missouri; 3, Philip married Lucy…” Their kids were Martha, Ann, Gen. Thomas, John, Eliz, Col Philip, Capt Wm, Fanny, Mary, Sarah, Pattey, Joseph Barrett and Elisha (most of these are in birth order, except the last 3. Still working on that).

John White's Orphan's; Robt - in Vestry Book of St Paul's

Hanover Co VA

 John White Sr (Jr)

Contributed by:  L Durham
May 2, 2014

     The attachments show the 1729 patent of John White, Sr.(Jr) (1670-c1750). His second wife was Catherine Barrett White. She remarried Robert Braine in 1758. John Sr.’s children were (among others) Barrett, Samuel and Tillah White. He willed the family plantation (called Meadow Wood) to his daughter, Tillah. The home burned down later, was rebuilt and called Hartland, which also burned down. The maps show the exact location.

John White Sr had about 2000 acres, that, in his Will, he split between his children. The Original Patent
included 4 sections; Malvern, Meadowood, Hartland and Presque Isle.

Notice there is a Kinney Town Road in this map. Short for McKinney in the hodgepodge???

4 Maps
1. John White Hanover Davis Map Louisa 1745
2. John's Land Patent 1729 Hanover
3. John's Land On A Map Hanover
4. John's Survey Map Hartland Plantation Previously Called Meadow Wood
5. John's House Hanover Co VA
 https://sites.google.com/site/kinggenealogy/thomaskingandfamilyoflouisacountyvirginia


UP^  John White Hanover Davis Map Louisa 1745

UP^  John's Land Patent 1729 Hanover
 The picture of Peter King's land was taken looking south just above the 'D' in Cartersville Rd. (see maps below)

UP^  John's Land On A Map Hanover
Land was by Deep Creek see the yellow 640 below left

 Route 640 is E. Old Mountain Road. Just touching the bottom of the lower circle 640
is a thin gray line representing Deep Creek. The South Anna River is the thick gray line.

UP^  John's Survey Map Hartland Plantation Previously Called Meadow Wood
 John White Sr had about 2000 acres, that, in his Will, he split between his children.
The Original Patent included 4 sections; Malvern, Meadowood, Hartland and Presque Isle.
    

UP^  John White's House - Hanover Co VA
The picture of John White's land was taken where the lower circle 640 is looking north.
The ink mark lying close to the South Anna River just above Harts Mill Road was the
location of Meadowood, the name given to Thomas and Tillah King's home.


UP^

Ellysons Mill, Beaverdam VA and White home place map, during Civil War
(Names the Mill went by: Ellerson, Ellison, Eliston, White)
Provided by: L Durham


UP^

Follow-up to the above mentioned John White's lands & heirs

by: Deborah Parks

...on another page of this King website is a King family that lived in the “cradle of civilization” between the Pamunkey and Chickahominey Rivers. This is where the hodgepodge lived. What this website shows is that the King family that lived in the “cradle of civilization” also migrated to Cumberland Co KY where my Thurmans landed. I’ve sent the owner of the website an email to find out if the Louisa Co VA Kings and the St. Paul’s parish Kings were related.

      Here’s my thinking on the John White land in Louisa Co VA. I think John White owned this land but didn’t live there. I believe he lived in the “cradle of civilization” in the same parish precinct as the Thurman's. See the records below where his orphans and descendants are listed. St. Martin’s parish (where the land in Louisa Co was located) was formed from St. Paul’s in 1729.

Records:

From St. Paul's Vestry Book (New Kent and Hanover Counties 1705-1787)

1751 - St. Paul's Parish of Hanover Co VA was originally part of New Kent County. Hanover Co Va was formed perfectly to match St. Paul's Parish boundaries - I believe in 1720. Listing an early processing of lands in precinct 17 "of John Murfield as transferred to Anthony Winston and John WHITE, and the land of Richard THURMAN as transferred to Wm Thurman. John Howard and Samuel Woody, Processioners. John WHITE, Daniel Boaz, John Foster, John Barker, Joseph Crew and Micajah Woody, witnesses."

1755 - Also from of precinct 16: "Anthony Winston, John Howard, Samuel Woody, Thomas Hooper (married into my Thurman line), William Roundtree, Wm THURMOND, Farquer Matheson, John Baker, Micajah Woody, John WHITE’s orphans & Robert Brain, John White and Samuel Woody appointed processioners. "

1759 - entry for Precinct 16: "Anthony Winston, John Steward, Samuel Woody, Thomas Hooper, William Roundtree, Wm Thurmond, Farquhar Matheson, John Barker, Micajah Woody, John White's orphans, and Robert Brain."

1763 - From Precinct 16 " Anthony Winston, John Howard, Samuel Woody, Thomas Hooper, William Roundtree, William THURMAN, Farquar Matheson, decd., John Barker, Micajah Woody and John WHITE's orphan. "

1767 – (September 30) Ordered. Into one precinct for processioning the lands of John HOWARD, Sam WOODY, Thomas HOOPER, Wm THURMAN, James WHITE’S heirs, Elias WHITE, Daniel BOAZ heirs, Wm Railey (Bailey?), John WOODY, Andrew THURMAN, and that Sam WOODY and James BOATRIGHT do see the said processioning performed and return their proceedings according to law.

From the book "Men of Matadequin; Three Hundred Years from New Kent County"

1779 - - page 23 refers to the dividing of St. Paul's parish (now of Hanover Co VA) into 29 precincts. Of particular interest is precinct 3 where the Thurmans are listed (as it is believed that the precinct boundaries indicates the boundaries of the mentioned property owners - over years and decades.) This is listed in pages 440-442: "Ordered into one precinct for processioning the lands of Jonathan McGehee, David Johnson, Thomas Johnson, William THURMOND dec'd., Andrew THURMON, Nathaniel Smith, Elisha WHITE, William Harding, Solomon Ingram, Edward Wade, Robert Kent, Menoah Lipscomb, Wm Holt, Edward Barker, Charles Barker and James Geddy. And that Charles Barker & Jonathan Carter do see the said processioning.
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Deborah Parks Map of Mr John White Sr bordered with John Dennits or Dennis
of New Kent later Hanover Co VA - possible connection between John Dennis of Halifax Co VA?
also the Land Record that mentions John White & John Dennits/Dennis

Provided by: Deborah Parks

Click here to go to John Dennis of Halifax Co VA Webpage

Below is the Land Record that mentions John White & John Dennits? to the Map above
(note: John Dennits nor Dennis appears in the records of St. Pauls Parish)
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Col William White of Louisa & Hanover

Louisa County HIstorical Magazine Vol 3 No ! Jun 1971:

To Read the complete Article click link below:http://piedmontvahistory.org/archives14/files/original/4a27286b3d876852332969e1b6e407c1.pdf    

Only several pages are posted below covering Wm's locations/lands:

By the land description this could be the father of Elisha White or the White's, living in the
Deep Creek area of Hanvoer Co VA - click to see map above

Shared by: L Durham
May 05, 2014

Page 1

page 9

page 14

page 15

page 16

page 17

Comments from L Durham - May 05, 2014:

     In the footnotes, the author also discusses five William Whites who lived in the same area. The author surmises that Col. William owned land in Louisa and Hanover, but lived in Hanover after his marriage to Elizabeth Starke in 1787. She was the widow of Barrett. His Louisa land was a plantation at the junction of Deep Creek & South Anna River.

     William & Barrett’s father, John (1695-1758) may have lived at Ellyson’s Mill in Hanover (I’m not sure if there was a name change to “White’s Mill” and/or “Trueheart’s Mill” at some point). I got this idea from the mill depositions/suits from Mike’s website on the Hanover page.) Does anyone know if these three names are referring to the same mill?

     Also, while on the subject of the mill dispute, one of the documents Mike has on his site contains a transcript of a deposition by Col. William Trueheart stating, “Captain White’s family was very unhealthy” due to the water levels of the pond near their mill. The deposition was taken in 1835. Which White was he referring to? (the same Col. William White above?).

Comments from L Durham - May 06, 2014:

From “Rev. William S. White, D.D., and His Times [1800-1873]: An Autobiography” by William Spottswood White, p. 17-__

This William S. White (07/30/1800-1873) lists his family tree thusly:

His grandparents: Barrett White (1727-02/18/1782) m. Elizabeth Starke (1733-12/14/1815); children were (not in order) Thomas, Philip, William, Mrs. Penny, Mrs. Blackwell and Mrs. Sydnor (underlined names are the ones who moved to unk county, KY.

His parents: William White m. Mildred Ellis in 1799; their children William S. White, Thomas J., Philip Barrett, Harriet E., Elizabeth and 2 infants who died.

Details of his family:

Elizabeth Starke was very religious. She had a hand in raising him, as she taught him to read and study the Bible. It appears he lived with them (but he didn’t elaborate on who else lived with them, only that he slept in their room from age 2-8).

His parents were both from Hanover, were Presbyterians and their minister was Rev. Samuel Davies.

He said they owned and lived at Ellyson’s Mill (Ellerson’s Mill) and it had been in their family since 1680. Their estate, alternately referred to as “Beaverdam” and “Ellyson’s Mill” was located 6 miles east of Richmond on the Chickahominy Swamp. ½ mile from Sugar Loaf Island is Beaverdam and ¼ mile from it is Ellyson’s Mill, on the north bank of Chickahominy River.

William S. was the eldest. He was born at Beaverdam. His brother, Thomas J., moved to MO.

His sister Harriet E. m. James McLaurin.

His sister Elizabeth remained unmarried.

Ellyson’s Mill may now be called Mechanicsville.

The other thing I have to pass along is, I think there’s a likelihood that the original White ancestors in VA were Quakers.

Comments from L Durham - May 07, 2014:

More info on Col. White’s daughter Mary, who married John Price (the following info includes a copy of his will, naming their children). This also confirms the location of the White homeplace as Ellerson’s Mill (Ellyson, Ellison) aka Bell’s Mill (named for Nathan & Moor Bell). It is also more fodder for my belief that the Whites were probably Quakers originally, as Capt. Robert Ellison and the Bells were all known Quakers.    https://archive.org/details/virginiamagazine00bruc

VIRGINIA HISTORICAL MAGAZINE.

PRICE FAMILY.

     The first of the name in Virginia was Samuel Price, an officer in Mon-
mouth's Rebellion, who came to Virginia when that rebellion failed in
1685, & married Elizabeth Pryor. Their son, John White Price, married
Anne Kennon, and their son, John Price, married Mary White.

"At a meeting of the Commissioners for the County of Henrico at the
Court House on Saturday the 15th day of March, 1783, pursuant to their
last adjournment, for receiving Testimony respecting the Records of
this County which have been destroyed by the enemy.

"Present. Isaac Younghusband, Nath. Wilkinson, Turner Southall
and Miles Selden, jr., Gents, Commis.

"A Copy of last will & testament of Jno. Price, deceased, was laid
before the Commissioners, and thereupon Mary Williamson being sworn
deposed that the said Copy is a true one of the last will & Testament of
the said Jno. Price, deceased, which together with the record thereof
have been destroyed by the enemy, whereupon the same is ordered to
be certified."

     Mentions wife Mary, sons Samuel, James, Barret, John, William, Dan-
iel and Elisha, grandson John Stake, daughters Martha Hedges, Mary
Leonard, Catherine Wood. " I give to my daughter, Sarah Williamson,
one negro named Esther & the next that is raised of fifty pounds."

Copy — Teste Adam Craig, C. H. C.

At a quarterly Court held for Henrico Co. at the Courthouse on Mon-
day the second day of March, 181 2, the foregoing attested Copy of the
last will & Testament of Jno. Price, deceased, was ordered to be recorded.

Test Izard B. Whitelocke, C. H. C.

Price Line.
Samuel Price=Elizabeth Prior.
John White Price=Anne Kennon.
John Price=Mary White.
Sarah Price=John Williamson.
Thomas Williamson=Anne McC. McWalke.

The Family of Major Wm. Price of the Revolution.
Sketch of Price Family, of Henrico, by Dr. Wm. Price Palmer, late
Vice-President of Virginia Historical Society:

The original seat of the family was known as Chantilly. John Price
obtained from Wm. Gooch, then Governor of the State, a grant of land
located west of the town of Richmond, and lying on the old Coal-Pit
road, now known as the continuation of Broad street or Deep Run road.

THE PRICE FAMILY. 79

The land lay about three miles from what was then the village of Rich-
mond. Some of the original grant is now (1893?) owned and occupied
by Thos. Johnston, of the book firm of West & Johnston.

John Price married Mary White, of Hanover county, daughter of Col.
White near Bell's Mill, now known as Ellerson's Mills, five miles north
of Richmond. John Price and Mary White had seven sons.

First. Samuel who left two sons, William and Louis. The latter was
for many years Register of the Land Office of the State. He married
Lucy, daughter of Major William Duvall, of Buckingham county, Va.
They left four sons and one daughter. William the oldest went to
Florida and married the daughter of William Duvall, Territorial Gov-
error of Florida. James and Harvie second and third sons moved to
Ohio. Alexander the fourth son died without issue. Anne Pope, daugh-
ter of William and Lucy, married late in life Dr. Alfred Leyburn, of
Lexington, Rockbridge county, Va. Lewis Price died without issue.
Samuel left also two daughters, Jane and Sarah. Jane married Major
Douthat and left one son, Capt. Robert Douthat, who married Eleanor
Lewis, daughter of Col. Feilding Lewis, of VVeyanoke, Charles City
county, Va. They left two sons, Robert and Feilding. Sarah, the other
daughter of Samuel Price, died very old and without issue.

James, third son of John and Mary White, left two sons, viz: John F.
Price, for many years sergeant of Richmond. He married Maria Win-
ston, of Hanover county, and left one son, James, who moved to Ala-
bama. Samuel, second son of James, died without issue. James, third
son of John, left also five daughters. First, Martha, married a Mr. Mar-
tin; Second, Mary, married Mr. Sydnor, of Henrico county; Third,
Naney, married Robert Radford. These three left no children. Fourth,
Theodosia married Capt. Wm, O. Wren, of Richmond, who succeeded
John F. Price as sergeant of the city of Richmond, and held the office
for thirty years. Capt. Wren and Theodosia left four sons. John F.
Wren, who married Anne Kennon, was a tobacconist and was long In-
spector of Tobacco at the State Public Warehouse. Second, Anthony
D. Wren who moved to Staunton, in Augusta county, and married Miss
Breckinridge. Third, Samuel, died early. Fourth, Robert who mar-
ried a Miss Stone, of Henrico, and went to Alabama. Capt. Wm. D.
Wren left also three daughters. First, Virginia, who married Loftis
Ellett, long clerk of Henrico county. They had three sons, James,
Robert and Thomas. Second, Mary, who died without issue. Third,
Susannah, married late in life Dr. Alfred Leyburn, of Lexington, Va.,
who had married Anne Pope Price, but had become a widower.

John, third son of John and Mary White, left two sons. William
moved to Kentucky, Daniel moved to Alabama.

Barrett Price, fourth son of John and Mary White, had one son and
six daughters.

Fifth, Major William Price, son of John and Mary White, was distin-

80 VIRGINIA HISTORICAL MAGAZINE.

guished in the Revolution of 1776, at the storming of Stony Point, and
at the battle of Cow-Pens was wounded twice. After the war, was in
command of the Point of Fork, and subsequently Inspector at the pub-
lic warehouse in Richmond until his death in 1835, was buried with
great military honor by the troops and citizens of Richmond. He mar-
ried Sarah Lewis, daughter of Col. Robt. Lewis, of "The Bird," in
Goochland county, Va. They had but one child, a son, Nicholas Lewis
Price, who died at seventeen years of age, and lies interred in old St.
Johns churchyard at Richmond, Va.

John Price and Mary White had also three daughters, Sarah, Cathe-
rine and Mary. Sarah married John Williamson. They left two sons,
Thomas and John P. Williamson. Thomas was long a resident of Nor-
folk, Va., and the well-known cashier of the Bank of Virginia at that
place. He had a numerous family, one of his sons, a major, was Chief
Engineer of the United States Navy, and another, Col. Thomas H.
Williamson, a distinguished Engineer and long Professor at the Virginia
Military Institute at Lexington.

I was named William Price Palmer after Major Wm. Price because he
married my relative Sarah Lewis, who took charge of me at the death
of my own mother. I have thus hurriedly sketched what I have been told
of this ancient and honorable family of old-time Virginians.

William P. Palmer.

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Click Here for a .PDF File of This Mr John White Family & Descendants
Posted PDF here May 29, 2018 - Provided by Deborah Parks

Tillah White King daughter of Mr. John & Katherine White above

Tillah King connects to Mike White's lineage via Robert White Jr son John Willis White, Jr son of Robert White Sr 1743-1843, in Spartanburg Co SC

It is worthy to note here, that we have Y-DNA connections to these Hanover White's indirectly or directly, still to be determined

King-Cooper-White Y-DNA Connection to Hanover Co VA White Family

This is only '1' known connection to the White DNA of Hanover Co VA

1. Mr John White b. ca1660's d. abt 1744 Hanover Co VA
married 1st: unkn wife b.ca1670 d.ca1720 married 2nd Katharine ???

John's Will names daughter Tillah White "...now married to Thomas King"
Tillah would be the daughter of 2nd wife Katherine  (last name unknown)
 

2. Thomas King 1714-1798 b. VA d. Louisa Co VA
married: abt 1757
Tillah White 1739-1768 d. VA

their son:

3. John King 1758-1842 b. Louisa Co VA d. Spartanburg Co SC
married : 2 Mar 1790 Spartanburg Co sC
Sarah Lemaster 17740-1850 b. Amherst Co VA d. Harris Co GA

their daughter:

4. Lucy King 1798-1877 b. Spartanburg Co SC d. Spartanburg Co SC
married: 31 Aug 1808 Union District SC
James William Cooper 1788-1861 b. Union Co SC d. Spartanburg Co SC

their daughter

5. Mary Cooper 1827-1887 b. Spartanburg Co SC d. Spartanburg Co SC
married: 10 Feb 1857 Spartanburg Co SC
JOHN WILLIS WHITE 1832-1863 b. Spartanburg Co SC d. Morris Island Fort Wagner SC Civil War

John Willis White's father was Robert White Jr, who married 1st Mary Polly Cooper brother of James William Cooper above.

Robert White Sr., DNA pool based on Mike White Y-DNA test, indicates we are somehow connected to Hanover Co VA White's

Tillah White King - was the daughter of a John White of Louisa/Hanover Co Va

Mike's DNA test doesn't tell us exactly which White family of the Hanover Co VA
White's we are directly related to, that may be determined in the furture if more
White's are tested, but this does expanded our Family migration further north
from the Roanoke River VA, where Robert White Sr was born in 1743.
1. My name is Mike White I do not descend from Robert White Jr. Lineage, but from his Brother Elias.

2. I have taken all available Genetic DNA Test at FamilyTreeDNA.com

3. My DNA results have shown that our White DNA has connections to White families and other surnames
    that lived in Hanover Co VA. (New Kent, Louisa Co VA)

4. It is not a perfect match (Yet), but indicates some DNA relationship to some White's, in the Hanover Co VA area.
 

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Samuel White Blacksmith Hanover Accounty Book 1743-1744 Page 337

Provided by Deborah Parks

 

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Hanover County VA Records

Calendar of Virginia State Papers. Vol 5, page 214-215

October 11, 1790, Hanover County, Virginia: Elisha White to Governor Beverly
Randolph asking that he be commissioned as sheriff of Hanover County, the posi-
tion for which he was recommended by the Court two years ago, but which by foul
play, Mr. Anderson obtained.  He conceives that his long service as a magistrate
in Lunenburg and Charlotte Counties entitled him to the preference.

From William and Mary Quarterly, Volume 23, Series 1, page 123

Records of Hanover County, Virginia, April 3, 1787: James White to Chas. Talley
15 acres branch of Matedequin Creek, White's homestead - Fox Branch, Talley's
Spring brach; Witnesses: Bart Anderson, Elisha White, Jas. Pollard, Nat Anderson
Page 125, March 12, 1791 - John Winston and Thos. Macon, Justices: whereas
     Elisha White, Gent. and Lucy, his wife, sold on March 11, 1791 to Thos. Butler, etc.

From Virginia Magazine of History, Vol. 15, page 189, 1907-08.

Virginia Militia in the Revolution - September 1, 1777. Elisha White, for a
cart, etc. for Hanover Militia, p. accot. 19.13.9.

From Virginia Magazine of History, Vol. 30, page 377

Virginia State Troops in the Revolution: From State Auditors Papers now in
State Library, March 1776: paid Elisha White for Chr. Tompkins for a gun 1.10.

From Virginia Magazine of History, Vol. 9, page 423, Publ. 1901-1902

Capt. Richard P. White of Hanover County, Virginia, of the Revolutionary Army,
married Mary Meriwether, daughter of Major Thomas Meriwether, of Albermarle and
Jane Lewis Meriwether. With his brothers Elisha White and Barret White, he
moved to Georgia in 1783-84.  He settled in Columbia County, Georgia. Another
brother, William or Williams was killed at the Battle of Brandywine. Mary
White, daughter of Colonel White, who lived nar Bell's, now Elderson Mills,
Hanover County, five miles from Richmond, married John Price and had sons
Elisha, Barret, Samuel, James, John, William and Daniel Price. (Daughters?).

From Virginia Magazine of History, Vol. 2, page 249

Troops in Rev.: William White, Captain Robert White, Tarpley White, William White and Elisha White.

From Virginia Magazine of History, Vol. 14, page 80, Sept 4, 1777

John Shephard for cooking for part of Capt. Elisha White's Militia Co. p. Cert. 14, 6.

At a Vestry held for Saint Pauls Parish September 30, 1767 (Hanover Co VA)
 
Ordered. Into one precinct for processioning the Lands of John Howard, Sam Woody, Thomas Hooper, Wm Thurman, James White’s Heirs, Elias White, Daniel Booz heirs, Wm Railey, John Woody, Andrew Thurman, and that Sam Woody and James Boatwright do see the said procefsioning perform’d and return their proceedings according to Law.

Information provided by:
Deborah

Hanover Co VA Deeds 1783-1792 Page 350: 9 March 1772

Jermiah Wade to Littlebury Wade, Senr. 1200 land on North Fork of Matadequin Cr, devised by William Wade, Dec'd. to his son Jeremiah Wade, Excepting Mill & 10 acres sold to Colo. John Syme; containing 242 acres bounded by Samuel Fox, James White, Nicholas & Charles Talley, Wm Reyolds (sic) & sd. fork of Matadequin. Wit: John White Jr, Robert Wade, Andrew Thurmman, Jesse White. Proved 4 June 1789 by oath of Robert Wade and Andrew Thurman
6 Aug 1789 proved by oath of John White.

 Information provided by:
Deborah

More Notes on Elisha (Elias) White of Hanover VA
our White have 12 / 25 marker matches with
The Talley's and Thurman's and others of
Hanover Co, Below is a .PDF file (Adobe 8.1)
Mainly on Charles W. Talley but mentions
Capt Elisha White in several places.

Elisha Talley / Elisha White Connection

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Elisha White

Notes Provided by:
Deborah Parks

More fodder for your research.  See the attached record - part of the 10,000 name petition after
the Declaration of Independence.  Elisha White is right there with Andrew Thurman and David Talley
- this was the part of the petition from Hanover Co VA. 
 
Are you familiar with the document?  Pretty interesting in regards to religious liberties and the end
of clergy life support. 

More of the same petition from hanover Co Va with several Whites and Talley s listed.

Thurman/White

And here are Hoopers, Thurmans, Talleys and Whites from Hanover co
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Hanover County Records
(Formerly, New Kent Co VA)

Provided by: Deborah Parks

Notice the John White orphans.....
(Orphans - supports a theory that since our DNA Test
show that we are closely related to Thurman's, Talley's
and others, that possibly, our White children were placed
into Families with different surnames after the death of their
Father, of both parents... very likely during these times...)
 
 
From the book "English Duplicates of Lost VA Records"
(these are tax listings in New Kent Co for 1704)

1704 - Richard Thurmond assessed for 131 1/2 acres

1704 - Jonathan White (when I made the copy of this book page, I was only copying for Thurman so I cut the acreage off of the White entries.  Just glad I have the White entries)

1704 - John White

1704 - Wm Tully 200 acres (could be Talley)

1704 - Wm Woody (married into the Talleys that match us)

1704 - Symon Woody

1704 - Samuel Woody

1704 - John Woody

1704 - James Woody

From St. Paul's Vestry Book
(New Kent and Hanover Counties 1705-1787)

1751 - St. Paul's Parish of Hanover Co VA was originally part of New Kent County.  Hanover Co Va was formed perfectly to match St. Paul's Parish boundaries - I believe in 1720.   Listing an early processing of lands in precinct 17 "of John Murfield as transferred to Anthony Winston and John White, and the land of Richard Thurman as transferred to Wm Thurman.  John Howard and Samuel Woody, Processioners.  John White, Daniel Boaz, John Foster, John Barker, Joseph Crew and Micajah Woody, witnesses." 

1755 - Also from of precinct 16: "Anthony Winston, John Howard, Samuel Woody, Thomas Hooper (married into my Thurman line), William Roundtree, Wm Thurmond, Farquer Matheson, John Baker, Micajah Woody, John White's orphans & Robert Brain, John White and Samuel Woody appointed processioners. "

1759 - entry for Precinct 16: "Anthony Winston, John Steward, Samuel Woody, Thomas Hooper, William Roundtree, Wm Thurmond, Farquhar Matheson, John Barker, Micajah Woody, John White's orphans, and Robert Brain."

1763 - From Precinct 16 " Anthony Winston, John Howard, Samuel Woody, Thomas Hooper, William Roundtree, William Thurman, Farquar Matheson, decd., John Barker, Micajah Woody and John White's orphan. " 

From the book "Men of Matadequin"
Three Hundred Years from New Kent County"

1779 - - page 23 refers to the dividing of St. Paul's parish (now of Hanover Co VA) into 29 precincts.  Of particular interest are precinct 3 where the Thurmans are listed (as it is believed that the precinct boundaries indicates the boundaries of the mentioned property owners - over years and decades.)  This is listed in pages 440-442:  "Ordered into one precinct for processioning the lands of Jonathan McGehee, David Johnson, Thomas Johnson, William Thurmond dec'd., Andrew Thurmon, Nathaniel Smith, Elisha White, William Harding, Solomon Ingram, Edward Wade, Robert Kent, Menoah Lipscomb, Wm Holt, Edward Barker, Charles Barker and James Geddy.  And that Charles Barker & Jonathan Carter do see the said processioning performed."

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Plat Map of Hanover & New Kent Counties

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1785 Indenture - New Kent County VA

James And Sarah White

Provided by: Deborah Parks

 

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1769 Indenture involving lands adjacent to Barret White - Hanover Co VA

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Indenture witnessed by Barret White, Elisha White and John White - Hanover Co VA - 1771

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Indenture Anthony Winston 1771 - Hanover Co VA - had adjacent lands to our connections

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Court Deposition 1835 - References owner of "White Mill" - Capt William White - Hanover Co VA

 

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Dibdul Talley Document - mentions the "Old Church" - regarding another Mill Lawsuit - 1836
This is in the area of our DNA Ancestors

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Trueheart Court deposition regarding White Mill

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Winston Court deposition on White Mill - Hanover Co VA

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Nathaniel White's Will Plat 1839 - mentions other White's

 Will of Nathaniel White - Hanover Co VA
March 16, 1836?

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From Deborah Parks:
 Look at this 1830 census with Barrett White living not too far from Archibald Walthall (maternal grandfather of Wm Archer Walthall) who you and my father’s dna matches. Based upon the will of Littleberry Thurman, we suspect that Wm Archer Walthall was the illegitimate son of Littleberry’s son, Edward Thurman. Edward Thurman was a first cousin of Wm Archer Walthall’s mother, Maranda Walthall. This is fascinating. The circles tighten.

1830 Census Cumberland County Kentucky - 2 DNA connections - Archibald Walthall & Barret White

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As the White's are related to the Howard lineage, worthy to
note John Howard in New Kent/Hanover VA.  The Howard's
were activein the Great Awakening movement of these times.
Thurman, White's also listed.
Document Provided by: Deborah Parks

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Hanover County VA Court Minutes 1782
(Elisha White procuring supplies for the Army page 2... and others mentioned...)


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1787 Indenture - Hanover Co VA
James & Elisha White and Charles Talley

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1788 Indenture (Deed) - Hanover Co VA
Elias White to Samuel Earnest - 65 acres

Provided by: Laurel Durham
Title: White, Elias, his exr., to Samuel Earnest: Deed
Date: 1788
Source: Louisa Co. Judgments, 1805 March, Part 4
Rights: There are no restrictions.
Date Created: 2010
Relation Is Part Of: Lost Records Localities Collection, 1674-2001
Spatial: Hanover County
Bibliographic Citation: Lost Records Localities Digital Collection, [name of county/city], [title], [date]. Library of Virginia, Richmond, VA 23219.
Notes: This digital collection is comprised of scans of records that were photocopied for the Lost Records Localities collection. Image quality may vary depending on quality of available paper copies (originals and photocopies) of records. Digital images from the Chancery Records Index are used when available.
Biographical/Historical Note: Hanover County was created by an act of 1720 to take effect on 1 May 1721. Most county court records, particularly deeds, wills, and marriage records, were destroyed by fire in Richmond on 3 April 1865, where they had been moved for safekeeping during the Civil War. The circuit court records were not moved to Richmond and were relatively unscathed. Consequently, there is a strong run of common law papers and chancery papers after 1831 that were generated by the circuit superior court of law and chancery and its successor, the circuit court.
Web Link

 

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Henrico Co VA

Dispute - Court Order Book 5, Page 412
Charles and Christian Talley with Elisha White
Date could be 1790?

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Henrico Co VA

Deed Transaction 1782 - Deed Book 1 - Page 13 & 14 
between Theodocia White & Son Elisha Crowley White

I managed to make a quick trip to the Library of Virginia.  Found this on Henrico Co VA, for White. The one attached is dated 1782 and involves Theodocia White and her son Elisha Cowley White. From what I can find online (I know that can be a scary thing to do) is that Theodocia’s maiden name was Cowley.

Provided by: Deborah Parks

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Henrico Co VA

DNA Connection from Don White to Mike White (FTDNA)

1781 Henrico Co VA inventory for David White

Blacksmith Tools...

Provided by: Deborah Parks

Email From Deborah Parks May 25, 2019:

I have attached a copy of the 1781 Henrico Co VA inventory for David White which includes a set of blacksmith tools.  During the Rev War, he was paid for repairing arms as well.  David appears to be (but no proof yet) the son of John and Katherine (unknown) White who both died in December 1758. 

One descendant of David White, Don White, has taken the YDNA test and both of you match him.

More food for thought from the blacksmith angle. 

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Rev William S. White, D. D.
And His Times
An Autobiography

Edited by son: Rev H. M. White, D, D.

Printed 1891 Richmond VA

Click here to Read .pdf File of Book
or Click The Picture - See Pages 19, 20, 21

Click here to Read .pdf File of Book
or Click The Picture above - See Pages 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24

Excerpts from Book:

William S White, D. D.
and His Times an Autobiography
Edited by son Rev. H. D. White D. D.

Provided by: Deborah Parks

Comments by: Deborah Parks
June 11, 2014

   I decided to delve into the Wm S. White bio which I had primarily scanned previously. What I noticed this time was that his White ancestors had been living just north of the Chickahominey (6 miles from Richmond) since 1680! What I can’t make out is the reference to “Beaver Dam” in the first paragraph. Was Beaver Dam the name of the estate or was White making reference to the creek named Beaver Dam (see attached map) or BOTH. Notice that on the attached map is also the Ellerson/Ellyson mill (which he writes about in the first paragraph). I wish we had access to the Bible that lists the family ancestry back to 1680! Surely someone has it. Perhaps at the LVA?
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hanover County Virginia

Religious Petition to the House of Burgesses - about 1778

White's (Elias), Talley's and many others listed

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Hanover Co VA - List of Quit Rents - 1763

Source: Hanover Co Historical Society's
"Bulletin Articles on Virginia Quitrent Rolls 1763"

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List of Some known Epidemics 1600 - 1700's

Sickness at that time, in our history, was
responsible for reducing the Colonial populations, and as
one could expect, be a reason, for some deaths, of our ancestors,
in comparison, today, few die of these old deceases, in the United States.
This was also common motivation, to Move or Migrate away from these epidemics.

Provided by:  L Durham
Be aware this is not a complete list, but
a few documented epidemics to emphasis
a reason, for deaths, and movements of our
early ancestor, fear and rumors, and lack of
knowledge also played into the panic, as we
can see today with Ebola.

1657 Boston Measles

1687 Boston Measles

1690 NY Yellow Fever

1713 Boston Measles

1729 Boston Measles

1732-3 Worldwide Influenza

1759 N. America Measles: areas inhabited by white people

1761 N. America & West Indies Influenza

1772 N. America Measles

1775 N. America Unknown epidemic: especially hard in NE

1775-6 Worldwide Influenza: one of the worst epidemics

1793 VA Influenza: killed 500 in 5 counties in 4 weeks

1793 Philadelphia Yellow Fever: 4,544 deaths

Epidemic/Pandemic 1708 - 1712

Provided by: Deborah Parks
To read the entire article use this link 1708-1709:
http://www.raco.cat/index.php/Dynamis/article/viewFile/105877/149418

Read a Diary account that talks about sickness among his family and slaves 1708-1712:
http://nationalhumanitiescenter.org/pds/becomingamer/economies/text5/williambyrddiary.pdf 

The Epidemic or Pandemic of Influenza 1708 - 1709
(Below is the part of the article affecting the Colonies)
 

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Hanover VA Notes - Source: Arizona State Library

Types:
1. Hanover Co VA Deeds compiled by Rosalie Edith Davis, p.49
2. Hanover VA - Meeting of the Overseers of the Poor Dist #1..
3. Hanover Co VA - Vestry Entries.................................................
4. Misc. Notes Related to our "Hodgepodge" Surnames..................

Provided by: L Durham

added 11/03/14

1. Meeting of the Overseers of the Poor District No. 1, Saturday, 05/13/1786

Present: Elisha White, John Starke Jr., Elisha Meredith

Francis Barker for 2 children

MARGRET DURRAM allowed

Mary Holins for 2 children

William Wheeler for 3 children

Henry Richardson for James Burnley

Elisha Leah? SEAH? allowed

Elizabeth DURRAM

John Jones

Robert Whealer

ELIZABETH CLARKE for SILLER DURRAM child

John Pasley for Lucy Toler

ELISHA WHITE for Moriah Fillips

Thos. Tucker for Moriah Fillips 4 months 13 days

John Badkins for John Galding

Jane Burnet for 2 children

James Hubboard allowed

Jane Shepperdson allowed

Elizabeth Tyler allowed

 

2. Other things I found today:

1. 1734 Hanover deed from Thomas Reynolds to John Brown that mentioned that the land was originally sold by Henry Wyat to Thomas Standly on Chickahominy Swamp.

2. 1734 Hanover bond on John White Jr. and Isaac Winston as administrators of the will of Philip Chippen.

3. 1735 deed on land bequeathed from Susanna Ellite to her 3 daughters, witnessed by John White Jr., William Winston Jr., Isaac Winston Jr and John Talley.

4. In 1785, Nathaniel Talley and Benjamin Toler were bonded (probably in the performance of their jobs as tax accountants at Page’s Warehouse on the payment of tobacco tax) in the amount of 5000 pounds.

5. 1785 deed from Nathan Talley to Nathaniel Talley for 10 acres in St. Paul’s Parish.

6. From “Men of Matadequin” book, clarification of the old precincts of New Kent Co (in 1689) and the newer ones as listed in the Vestry (in 1779) with a few in-between years. I know we already have the Vestry precincts, but the chapter from this book lays it out so well.

7. And, I found a beautiful book called, “Old Homes of Hanover Co VA,” published by the historical society. It contains pictures of the old plantation homes with a description of the chains of title on each one. One entry is for Meadow Farm, a parcel of the old White home place, at one time owned by Edward Garland Sydnor and Sally White (c.1775-). It was right in the middle of the Civil War battle near Ellison’s Mill and still has blood stains on the floor when the house was used to treat the wounded.

 

3. I’m also including Vestry entries to compare to the above list:

11/17/1755 Not mentioned in the order JAMES DURHAM deceased, his land transferred to William Kerby, processioned.

11/15/1759 Ordered into one precinct for processioning the lands of…JAMES DURRAM…

11/30/1763 Ordered into one precinct for processioning the lands of…JAMES DURHAM…

00/00/1779 Ordered that MARGARETT DURRAM be allowed towards her support four pounds

12/17/1784 Ordered that ELIZABETH CLARK be allowed five pounds for keeping NANCEY DURRUM’S bastard child

00/00/1784 Ordered that ELIZABETH CLARKE be allowed for keeping ANN DURRAM’S bastard child five pounds till Christmas 86 [1786?]

03/14/1785 By me SAMUEL WHITE paying ELEANOR DURHAM’S charge 52 pounds (note: Eleanor was financially supported by the church for years)

My interpretations:

It looks like there was a group of Durhams, mostly women, who were destitute between the years of 1779 to 1785. Since they were dealt with at the same meeting, perhaps they were from one family. One of the women was known by two names, “Ann” and “Nancey” (common nicknames for the time). She had a bastard child, named Siller Durram. Up until now, we didn’t know the name of this child. Siller, to me, seems like a surname and may possibly be the clue to who the father was. I don’t know if these Durhams were my line or the other one. Maybe Eleanor or Margaret was James Durham’s wife, or another deceased Durham? And, maybe they were Hodgepodge Durhams since the Whites and Starkes were involved. Notice there was also a “Seah”. The question mark is not from me, it was from the transcription.

Whether we ultimately discover the identities, it remains heart-warming to know that the Whites and the Starkes cared enough to help out the poor people in their community.

Laurel Durham

 
4. added: 11/11/14
Misc notes by L Durham

Balberry THURMON, age 19, apprenticed with John Smith as a bricklayer in Richmond City [Richmond City Census 1784]

 

Daniel WHITE, age 23, carpenter, born and resided in Brunswick Co, 1781 (from a list, “Noncommissioned Officers and Privates at Carter’s Ferry 1781”) [“VA Ancestors and Adventurers” Vol. 1, compiled by Charles Hughes Hamlin, 1967, p. 8]

 

John DURHAM, age 18, planter, born and resided in King and Queen Co, no year stated (from a list, “Noncommissioned Officers and Privates at Albemarle Courthouse”) [ibid., p. 11]

 

William THURMOND, age 16, no trade given, born and resided in Amherst Co, no year stated (from a list, “Noncommissioned Officers and Privates at Cumberland Courthouse”) [ibid., p. 19]

 

Henry TALLEY, transportation record from York Co, VA Record #5 (1672-1676), p. 85 10 Sept 1679 –

“Certificate is granted to Mr. Martin Gardner for 450 acres of land for the importation of himself five times and Francis Middleton and Henry Talley and John Morritie and Elizabeth (Edy? Ody?) into the Colony.” [“VA Ancestors and Adventurers” Vol. 3, compiled by Charles Hughes Hamlin, 1969, p. 94]

 

Richard SORRELL, Caroline Co will, 1810 [“Some Wills from the Burned Counties of VA,” Hopkins, Wm. Lindsay, 1987, p. 11]

 

William WHITE, witnessed the will of John Lipscomb, Richmond City, Hanover Co, on 03/31/1784, proved on 05/08/1784. Two children Moses Almond Lipscomb and Elizabeth Lipscomb. Exor: Brother Ambrose Lipscomb. Wit: William WHITE, Henry Fair, Mary Fair. (From Tyler Vol. 33, p. 179) [ibid., p. 54]

 

Bryant WHITE, 1746, helped build a road near the Roanoke River – “In August, 1746, those appointed to work a road from Reed Creek to the top of the ridge that parts the waters of New River and those of the South Fork of Roanoke were: James, Ezekiel, William and Patrick Calhoun, Bryant WHITE, William Handlow, Peter Rentfroe and two sons, John Black, Simon Hart, George the tinker, Jacob Woolwine and two sons, Michael Claine, John Stroud, Samuel Stalmaker and all the Dunkers that are able to work on the same and all other persons in that precinct –James Calhoun and Charles Hart to be overseers.” [“Kegley’s VA Frontier” Kegley F.B., Genealogical Publishing Co, Inc., 2003, p. 117]

Alexander and Samuel WHITE were listed in Capt. Watterson’s Co., 1783 on the north fork of the Roanoke as follows: Alexander (no property) and Samuel with 7 horses and 16 head of cattle [ibid., p. 590]

Joseph Gibson and Nancy TALLEY were married in Louisa Co on 07/11/1791

William THURMOND and Mackie Norvil were married in Goochland Co on 04/10/1766

[“Some VA Marriages 1700-1799”, vols. 17-21, compiled by Cecil D. McDonald, 1976, p. 7, 18]

Laurel Durham
 

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1809 Chancery Case RE Children of David White VA Argus 07071809
Laurel Durham discovered this document of a
White family, originally from Virginia, but from
the Court Document now living elsewhere. This
talks about a case of guardianship, in the past
tense.  Strangely, the naming convention of the
children fits conveniently into other White families
possibly from Kentucky, and could be related to
Robert White Sr of Union County SC, Nathan
Talley is married to a White, as we know our
line of White's from Robert White Sr, have Talley
DNA. Posting this document for future reference.

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Catherine White of Hanover Co VA
Marriage to John Jackson
The document was found in the Rev War Pension Application of John

Provided by: Michael Talley

 
Reply from Laurel Durham: (July 01, 2015)

Catherine White was the d/o Elisha & Lucy White. She married John Jackson (from the pension app file Michael sent us). Here’s a little info on her:

"Catherine (c1766-04/20/1859), m. 10/27/1787 Capt. John W. Jackson (17__-AFT 1819; served in Rev. War; occupation: school teacher after the war) in HC by the Rev. Elkanah Talley in the Protestant Episcopal Church; inherited her mother Lucy White’s land in Louisa Co. in 1819 with her husband John W. Jackson as Lucy’s executor; there was another John White who lived approx. 05/1752-aft 1843 who was from Louisa, had a brother William (who may have gone by the name Billey), subbed for multiple brothers William and/or Billey in the Rev War, made an application for pension in 1843 at age 91 and who verified a Catherine White’s pension application on her widowed husband John Jackson (this Catherine White Jackson’s info came from her own pension application in 1842, stating that she was 72 at the time, was born a White, m. Capt. John W. Jackson on 10/27/1787 in HC by the Rev. Elkanah Talley in the Protestant Episcopal Church, had multiple children with John Jackson one being Elisha Jackson (b. c1770), lived in Louisa Co, VA and she died on 04/20/1859. I THINK THIS JOHN WHITE (who went by the name John Jr) WAS HER COUSIN (S/O COL. WM B. 1731)."
 

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 HP - Email Research Discussions - White's of VA Robert White 6th Virginia Regiment
Other White's SC #1 Other White's NC #2 Other White's VA #3 Other White's MA/NH #4 Other White's Early #5b

Email Additions/Changes/Corrections:  mike3113@hotmail.com

Many thanks to Deborah Parks
for making this page possible.